Posted on 02/25/2016 8:10:06 AM PST by Kaslin
I would agree that if they have a proper warrant, they could be allowed to ask the manufacturer how to get in when it is an extreme case.
I don’t care if they waterboard Tim Cook - unlock the damn phone!
Yes.
And if they don't, the military or CIA should feel free to steal whatever Apple does have.
It's war. You don't let the enemy have a weapons/comms system that you can't attack.
That would be insanity.
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Yes, the devil is in the details, once you know them. I didn’t know how I thought about this until I learned that it’s not a simple matter of unlocking one phone, it’s creating a whole system which the government, and hackers, can use to spy on any of us.
Fool. If they create a key that would unlock that phone the same key will unlock yours. Good luck, fool.
My understanding is that the government already stores raw trunkline data. The metadata they wanted was a “look up table” with which to search, asssemble, and extract indivdual transmissions. If they had that for Mr. Farook’s conversations, why do they need the phone?
Apple cannot unlock the phone. That was one of the biggest features that it offered to customers when it came out with IOS 8. This was partly due to our wonderfully benevolent government using the NSA to spy on millions of American citizens. This article is one of the best written so far that I have seen on this issue.
The feds screwed up royally by letting those two terrorists into this country knowing that they had ties to other terrorists. They were granted US citizenship. They had traveled to Yemen. They both worked for a local government which means they went through a background check and fingerprinting, and were still hired. The feds already have the telephone numbers from Verizon for the phone in question. What other information could be so vital to national security that the feds need? The feds are usurping a FISO court and issuing an unprecedented order to compel a company to create something, citing a two century old law. Apple is absolutely right in its stance.
“Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
Benjamin Franklin
“Do you think Apple should be forced to create a software patch for the iPhone ios (that does not presently exist) in order to assist the government into hacking the terrorist-shooter’s iPhone. Yes. And if they don’t, the military or CIA should feel free to steal whatever Apple does have.”
Wow, you sure you’re not a German holdover from WWII? Adolph HItler would be so proud of you!
FWIW Judge Napolitano on Fox early this morning said that under the law, the Government will loose. They cannot force Apple to make something that doesn’t already exist. The Constitution precludes “enslaving a business” to “work for the government.” The hard fact of the matter is, that the FBI, and Immigration (and a lot of other agencies as well) screwed up royally here. I hope Apple prevails, because this is just the government “not letting a good crisis go to waste.”
It amazes me how many FReepers will lick the Federal jackboot because “we are at war.” When the federal tyrants find that they can do anything in the name of national security they will in fact do ANYTHING! Why would you wish to invite that into your life?
If the feds want the info that bad the constitutional thing to do is have their own programmers crack the phone, not put a gun to the head of Apple programmers and enslave them to do the government’s bidding.
Tim Cook can run for office and then introduce legislation about this and get it passed but until he does then unlock the phone. The only ones benefiting now are the terrorists.
I agree ...... 4th Amendment, never give up liberty for security. NEVER trust government. NEVER NEVER NEVER !
My provider sends me a list / bill each month / day of every call made on the phones on my family account. I let family users know, never put fiscal, personal, sensitive information on any gadget your not willing to share with a stranger because thats where it goes regardless of advertised encryption or data protection ADVERTISED OR PROMISED.
My opinion .....Stay Safe !
I’m not for throwing the exec’s in jail, but removing apple’s tax loopholes or cancelling contract’s would be an appropriate incentive. No more favorable status.
What he said, and what he meant are not what you surmise...
Franklin was not describing some tension between government power and individual liberty. He was describing, rather, effective self-government in the service of security as the very liberty it would be contemptible to trade. Notwithstanding the way the quotation has come down to us, Franklin saw the liberty and security interests of Pennsylvanians as aligned.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-ben-franklin-really-said
Apple is correct on this one. This an attempt by the socialist controlers to control us more.
I don’t see how the author could be shocked. Throughout history Americans have ceded power to the government because they thought it would only be used against “hhose” people.
This is a very complex issue.
There was a great thread on FR where this was discussed and there was no trying to digitally kill other posters for their presidential choices.
Warning this is a hard hat and steel toe boot thread. Children and the easily turned off should not go there,
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3399395/posts
I don’t understand this kerfuffle. Isn’t this a warrant situation?
From a related thread . . .
After finding the following comment by cyber-security expert John McAfee, I now disagree with Trumps stance against boycotting Apple. This is for the simple reason that McAfee has indicated that a 15 year old boy recently hacked the FBIs system.
”The very FBI,” McAfee charged, ”who says, ”we will protect this software and only use it on one phone,” that agency was hacked by a 15-year-old boy just last week, who walked off with all the personnel records including, [of] undercover agents.” - John McAfee.
If such is the case, then how can the FBI be trusted to keep an Apple key for the iPhone secure?
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