Posted on 02/19/2016 5:07:38 PM PST by rpierce
“In the wrong hands, this software — which does not exist today — would have the potential to unlock any iPhone in someone’s physical possession.â€
Idon’t disagree...no one can guarantee that NOW. It doesn’t concern me at all. Someone will crack it.
Yes it can, but since the "process" is to remain in Apple custody, I hardly see it as a problem for the rest of us.
Apple will then have to come up with tools specific to each phone, since they did it once to this phone.
That is exactly where I see this going.
And literally, nobody I've seen on this thread has gotten credit for answering the question, who is "the court?" If I were him/her, I would be thinking seriously of getting out of town!
Well then I am mistaken. My apologies. That just seems incredible.
“I hardly see it as a problem for the rest of us. “
Until they get your phone.
Until someone copies Apple, or an apple employee leaks key details.
If they unlock this phone, there will be no unlockable phones. Easier for FedGov than getting a law passed, and much cheaper, too.
I guess you missed this post by Code Toad.
He said it would take 10.
>>>.no one can guarantee that NOW. It doesnt concern me at all. Someone will crack it.
Is it the lock-maker’s duty to give the government a master key?
OK, after reading the article, some observations:
1. The iCloud account password was changed, not the phone password. From what I gather, that made the phone and the cloud unable to communicate.
2. Being a government employee (albeit county level), the suspect was required to have his phone password protected. THE COUNTY IT SPECIALIST KNOWS THAT. What was this guy thinking by resetting the cloud account? My antennae immediately start twitching at this.
2a. Did the county IT specialist know the cloud password?
2b. Since it was reset, they have all the cloud info.
3. I don’t trust the government. But Tim Cook is arguing a red-herring. I have yet to see where the FBI is asking Cook to GIVE THE FBI THE “HACKABLE” OPERATING SYSTEM BUILT EXCLUSIVELY FOR THIS PHONE. I’m sure they want that. But I have yet to see an official document where that is explicitly asked for. That is what Cook is publicly arguing.
4. Cook is nowhere arguing that it is technically impossible to do what they are asking. Which leads to a VERY interesting thought. If Apple can remotely install a new operating system on your phone while it is locked, how are you supposed to know that they haven’t done that and then re-installed the old operating system? Now, if they have to have physical possession of the phone to do that, that puts a different slant on that thought.
5. Since Cook is not arguing that it is impossible, it puts him in a very awkward position. He is arguing that his companies business strategy is more important than gaining information (of unknown value) from a terrorist who has killed 14 people, and who apparently had accomplices.
6. From a purely legal standpoint, I side with Cook vs the government. The government shouldn’t have the power the power to order companies to torpedo their legal business strategies.
7. From a US Citizen standpoint, I have little sympathy for Cook. He chose a business strategy based on the anger at Snowden and the US government. Is he so short-sighted that he could not see that his “unhackable” iPhones would be used by criminals and terrorists to securely communicate to plan killings and other terrorists acts? And to make it worse, he is lying. By NOT claiming it is impossible for them to help the government, technically, he is admitting that the phones CAN be hacked. His business strategy is boiled down to “you can trust Apple more than the US Government”. When you think about that, that is an extremely stupid strategy. He put himself into a position where he is choosing dollars over innocent lives and national security.
8. The governments hands are not clean I this. They completely abused their trust as Snowden exposed. They haven’t earned the right to ask Apple to do this.
Except...
The primary task of the Federal Government is the security of it’s citizens.
I think Apple loses this fight eventually. Not saying I like it, but that is my prediction.
Seriously? You are going to equate unlocking the data stored in a Terrorist's cell phone with helping to murder six million Jews?
Do you perhaps want to rethink your analogy and get back to me? It isn't cool to mock the Holocaust by comparing it to breaking into a dead terrorist's cell phone.
or enfarcement and injustice
I guess you're going to have to split the consulting fees with him, then.
But before you genius's save Apple and the 4th Amendment, why don't either of you take a few minutes to fix the FR text scrambling problem.
“Is it the lock-maker’s duty to give the government a master key?”
No. They can only ask him to unlock one specific door, described in a warrant. If there are multiple doors (say in a case where the suspect has multiple residences) the government must issue separate warrants. What don’t you understand about the warrant process? Or the 4th amendment?
WAY.
Arrogance.
Job Security.
Unaccountability.
Cognitive dissonance.
“Yet, out of all of those highly trained professionals, only you - you alone - have the expertise to understand that a quick 15 minute fix is all that is required. “
Well, that was one dumb comment. I am not alone in knowing such things art easy to do. Maybe you have no software skills and do not understand such matters, but the entire software industry is thinking Apple is being stubborn about this for no apparent reason.
Any idiot can make the change being requested. Maybe you are below even an idiot, I suspect you are, but don’t try to support Apple’s position by insulting everyone else. We’re not so gullible as you to support their position. This is all about ones and zeros, pal, not some kind of magic that even the creator Apple cannot undo.
I don’t know what makes you so stupid, but it really works.
“But before you genius’s save Apple and the 4th Amendment, why don’t either of you take a few minutes to fix the FR text scrambling problem. “
So, you are even dumber because you think we’ve have authority to make such a simple change, yet we don’t. Be glad to, but just because some dummy claims we should just go and do it without also knowing the owner must first invite such assistance, well, I remember being 10 and thinking I knew how the the world should be run, too.
Grow up, kid, you sound like a typical liberal retard.
With Tim Cook shining a flashlight up every one of their butts?
If they unlock this phone, there will be no unlockable phones.
This phone is not unlockable now. It's just difficult to unlock, but Apple can make it happen, just as they made it happen in 70 other cases.
Why wasn't the FBI immediately put in charge of all the evidence?
How likely is it that the phone or its cloud backups have information that is valuable to the feds? The terrorists knew it was a government-owned phone.
They would get a bunch of pictures of the insides of my pockets. Seems like I am always pulling the thing out of my pocket and it had already taken a bunch of pictures.
:)
Presumption on parade...
I hate Apple and happen, absolutely, to believe it.
You are entitled to your opinion, the rest of us to ours.
That describes a lot of federal employees, but the feds do have people that can unlock that phone. the problem is the FBI and those that can do the job just don’t have much of a relationship.
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