Posted on 02/18/2016 5:17:47 AM PST by SJackson
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I believe that those who have an opinion of Islam formed that opinion by watching the evening news: The World Trade Center attacks, the London Underground attacks, the Paris attacks, the Embassy bombings, the Beirut bombings, the mortar and rocket attacks on Israel, and I could go on and list 27,000 terrorist attacks since 9-11 all by members of a single religion.
It's not misinformation about Mohammad's scribblings. That opinion comes from direct observation of those who follow the man who married a six-year-old girl.
Again the media shows gross ignorance of Christianity. It’s almost as if they don’t know the New Testament exists.
So far as anyone who would follow the Old Testament alone, it is harsh. It does call for wiping out entire populations of people, imposing harsh penalties on people, and demanding strict obedience to God.
However, the judgment of God is always aimed at practices that we know to be destructive of individuals, communities, and civilizations.
The prophets summarize God, though, with His words: “I would have mercy and not sacrifice.”
That certainly explains all those bombings and beheadings by Lutherans and Methodists.
This is very well refuted by the author. Although the OT contains records of violence, the majority of which was inflicted UPON the Hebrews or directed AGAINST specific members of Abrahams family or the prophets. God’s wrath was only directed against nations/peoples who perversely violated God’s law (human sacrifice, grotesque sexual immorality, etc.). The NT does not speak of violence other than Jesus warning that it will come upon them and Paul testifying to his being the recipient of violence. The Revelation of St. John is the only truly violent book but that is merely an exposition of the violence that man will do to man and the justice of an Almighty God who gave mankind every opportunity to repent.
The Koran commands its adherants to commit violence.
The future must not belong to those who deny the true nature of Islam
John Quincy Adams on Islam
In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar, the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust, by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE.
Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. That war is yet flagrant; nor can it cease but by the extinction of that imposture, which has been permitted by Providence to prolong the degeneracy of man. While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men. The hand of Ishmael will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him. It is, indeed, amongst the mysterious dealings of God, that this delusion should have been suffered for so many ages, and during so many generations of human kind, to prevail over the doctrines of the meek and peaceful and benevolent Jesus (Blunt, 1830, 29:269, capitals in orig.).
I think the major difference is how the two religions have matured along their timelines. Christianity at one time had many violent seasons that were rooted in the understanding of scripture and the dogma surrounding it and how to deal with non-fidelity of keeping them. That understanding has liberalized and matured. Islam is still many centuries behind in liberalization and maturity curve in many regions of the world.
I wonder if they've read the BoM?
Millions of the Jaredites are slain in battle—Shiz and Coriantumr assemble all the people to mortal combat—The Spirit of the Lord ceases to strive with them—The Jaredite nation is utterly destroyed—Only Coriantumr remains.
1 And it came to pass when Coriantumr had recovered of his wounds, he began to remember the awords which Ether had spoken unto him.
2 He saw that there had been slain by the sword already nearly atwo millions of his people, and he began to sorrow in his heart; yea, there had been slain two millions of mighty men, and also their wives and their children.
3 He began to repent of the evil which he had done; he began to remember the words which had been spoken by the mouth of all the prophets, and he saw them that they were fulfilled thus far, every whit; and his soul amourned and refused to be bcomforted.
4 And it came to pass that he wrote an epistle unto Shiz, desiring him that he would spare the people, and he would give up the kingdom for the sake of the lives of the people.
5 And it came to pass that when Shiz had received his epistle he wrote an epistle unto Coriantumr, that if he would give himself up, that he might slay him with his own sword, that he would spare the lives of the people.
6 And it came to pass that the people repented not of their iniquity; and the people of Coriantumr were stirred up to anger against the people of Shiz; and the people of Shiz were stirred up to anger against the people of Coriantumr; wherefore, the people of Shiz did give battle unto the people of Coriantumr.
7 And when Coriantumr saw that he was about to fall he fled again before the people of Shiz.
8 And it came to pass that he came to the waters of Ripliancum, which, by interpretation, is large, or to exceed all; wherefore, when they came to these waters they pitched their tents; and Shiz also pitched his tents near unto them; and therefore on the morrow they did come to battle.
9 And it came to pass that they fought an exceedingly sore battle, in which Coriantumr was wounded again, and he fainted with the loss of blood.
10 And it came to pass that the armies of Coriantumr did press upon the armies of Shiz that they beat them, that they caused them to flee before them; and they did flee southward, and did pitch their tents in a place which was called Ogath.
11 And it came to pass that the army of Coriantumr did pitch their tents by the hill Ramah; and it was that same hill where my father Mormon did ahide up the records unto the Lord, which were sacred.
12 And it came to pass that they did gather together all the people upon all the face of the land, who had not been slain, save it was Ether.
13 And it came to pass that Ether did abehold all the doings of the people; and he beheld that the people who were for Coriantumr were gathered together to the army of Coriantumr; and the people who were for Shiz were gathered together to the army of Shiz.
14 Wherefore, they were for the space of four years gathering together the people, that they might get all who were upon the face of the land, and that they might receive all the strength which it was possible that they could receive.
15 And it came to pass that when they were all gathered together, every one to the army which he would, with their wives and their children—both men, women and children being armed with aweapons of war, having shields, and bbreastplates, and head-plates, and being clothed after the manner of war—they did march forth one against another to battle; and they fought all that day, and conquered not.
16 And it came to pass that when it was night they were weary, and retired to their camps; and after they had retired to their camps they took up a howling and a alamentation for the loss of the slain of their people; and so great were their cries, their howlings and lamentations, that they did rend the air exceedingly.
17 And it came to pass that on the morrow they did go again to battle, and great and terrible was that day; nevertheless, they conquered not, and when the night came again they did rend the air with their cries, and their howlings, and their mournings, for the loss of the slain of their people.
18 And it came to pass that Coriantumr wrote again an epistle unto Shiz, desiring that he would not come again to battle, but that he would take the kingdom, and spare the lives of the people.
19 But behold, the aSpirit of the Lord had ceased striving with them, and bSatan had full power over the chearts of the people; for they were given up unto the hardness of their hearts, and the blindness of their minds that they might be destroyed; wherefore they went again to battle.
20 And it came to pass that they fought all that day, and when the night came they slept upon their swords.
21 And on the morrow they fought even until the night came.
22 And when the night came they were adrunken with anger, even as a man who is drunken with wine; and they slept again upon their swords.
23 And on the morrow they fought again; and when the night came they had all fallen by the sword save it were fifty and two of the people of Coriantumr, and sixty and nine of the people of Shiz.
24 And it came to pass that they slept upon their swords that night, and on the morrow they fought again, and they contended in their might with their swords and with their shields, all that day.
25 And when the night came there were thirty and two of the people of Shiz, and twenty and seven of the people of Coriantumr.
26 And it came to pass that they ate and slept, and prepared for death on the morrow. And they were large and mighty men as to the strength of men.
27 And it came to pass that they fought for the space of three hours, and they fainted with the loss of blood.
28 And it came to pass that when the men of Coriantumr had received sufficient strength that they could walk, they were about to flee for their lives; but behold, Shiz arose, and also his men, and he swore in his wrath that he would slay Coriantumr or he would perish by the sword.
29 Wherefore, he did pursue them, and on the morrow he did overtake them; and they fought again with the sword. And it came to pass that when they had aall fallen by the sword, save it were Coriantumr and Shiz, behold Shiz had fainted with the loss of blood.
30 And it came to pass that when Coriantumr had leaned upon his sword, that he rested a little, he smote off the head of Shiz.
31 And it came to pass that after he had smitten off the head of Shiz, that Shiz raised up on his hands and afell; and after that he had struggled for breath, he died.
32 And it came to pass that aCoriantumr fell to the earth, and became as if he had no life.
33 And the Lord spake unto Ether, and said unto him: Go forth. And he went forth, and beheld that the words of the Lord had all been fulfilled; and he afinished his brecord; (and the chundredth part I have not written) and he hid them in a manner that the people of Limhi did find them.
34 Now the last words which are written by aEther are these: Whether the Lord will that I be translated, or that I suffer the will of the Lord in the flesh, it mattereth not, if it so be that I am bsaved in the kingdom of God. Amen.
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/ether/15
And yet the BOOK says...
Ether 14:22
And so swift and speedy was the war that there was none left to bury the dead, but they did march forth from the shedding of blood to the shedding of blood, leaving the bodies of both men, women, and children strewed upon the face of the land, to become a prey to the worms of the flesh.
Shouldn't this read: CATHOLICISM?
“So far as anyone who would follow the Old Testament alone, it is harsh. It does call for wiping out entire populations of people, imposing harsh penalties on people, and demanding strict obedience to God.”
The problem with Islam is that it has yet to have its Reformation that Christianity experienced some six hundred years ago. Islam, along with its Sharia Law, is frozen in Medieval times and refuses to enter modernity. Consequently, they aspire to kill all non-believers. Personally, I think as Americans we should read and heed our experience with Islam and Muslims during the early days of our country which led to the Barbary Wars and which stuffed Muslims back in a bottle - for awhile.
The major difference between the books can be described as the difference between justice and INjustice.
Baal Allah demands heads be lopped off at a mere accusation.
YHVH King of the Universe demands that when a person is accused of a crime, that two or more witnesses present themselves. And if the witness is false, the witnesses are punished also.
One is Just, the other, unjust.
Verbal or written vituperation can take a more vicious mode: It can take the form of ad hominem attacks. Vladimir I. Lenin (1870-1924; photo, below) was a master of derision in all its variegated nuances. One of his instructions to his fellow propagandists, in fact, read: "We can and must write in language which sows among the masses hate, revulsion, and scorn toward those who disagree with us."
Well, when Homo Sapiens cannot accept the fact that there is a hell awaiting them who will not (or cannot) accept the fact that a Holy God cannot be approached without justification...then yes, the Bible is pretty bloody.
The broad road Christ talks about is filled with billions of lost souls headed toward damnation due to their pride.
Matthew 7:13-14
Luke 13:24
Hell will be impossible to endure and impossible to escape from.
Precisely!
Confused and Dazed,
To Behead or Not to Behead!
That is the Question .
The Way,
The Truth,
The LIFE.
But despite labels, it was the major face of Christian faith at the time. Others came along and liberalized the understanding of how the faith was to operate. Catholics at the time rooted their actions in their understanding of the Word.
They fail to understand, and want to keep it that way. The New Testament is where God gave us all a way to live in peace through Jesus Christ. The muslims are still fighting, aiming to kill and destroy. Evil was never in God’s plans. Evil is all that is in theirs and either you convert or they believe they have a command to kill us all. In Christianity, you have freedom and a choice. There is no comparison.
Yeah, it’s pretty bloody. People would be wise to note that God is a jealous God. He’s a just God. He has, and WILL demonstrate his wrath on a nation and a world that spits in His face. Not a popular topic among today’s Christian churches (doesn’t draw in crowds) but it’s a huge part of Biblical truth.
ding ding ding we have a winner
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