Posted on 02/17/2016 4:20:38 AM PST by John W
So, we have to decide between two polar opposites, police state control of Americans, or perhaps imminent ISIS connected deaths.
This is a hard one for me to call, but I do get the dangers of security at any cost. Scripture warns us and history warns us.
A point was made on Morning Joe this morning that APPLE looks really silly claiming customer privacy & security, when you can walk past a store front and your I-phone reminds you that you like pink socks.
APPLE has all the information on us and uses it for business and privilege and profit, but lifts not a finger to track national security threats to save the United States from attack.
This is a new paradigm— a real test of value clarification, huh?
Beat me to it.
You know the technology a lot better than I do - what is on the phone that they haven’t already inspected? They already have a list of every call, both outgoing and incoming. They may not have recordings of the conversations but they won’t get that by breaking into the phone anyway.
They have the full record of texts, any calendar items, all the contacts, and any pictures that are on it.
What else could they want?
The hardware holds half the key. The user holds the other half. The hardware was designed to make it difficult if not impossible to obtain that half. The other half died with the user.
Unless he wrote it down or left a clue back at his apartment. Of course Barry’s FBI let everyone into the crime scene to poke around. Idiots. Now they want Apple to cover their ass.
As for who he called, or who called him, the phone company has those records.
“Apple was the first to use 256 bit AES encryption on their iOS devices”
Interesting post. Is the 256 bit AES encryption something that can’t be broken in less than a very long time, say 100 years?
And gosh, is all the government is really demanding is the 10-attempt thing?
Sounds like no one is going to break into that phone.
“apple uses a dedicated chip”
Thanks for the more full discussion. My question to you is how does the owner of the iPhone make the phone decrypt the data?
And he is a member of a large group of people in favor of using the power of government to shut down small companies for not following a judge's order. I call that a steaming load of hypocrisy.
I don’t know. The FBI others want a permanent backdoor into anyone’s cell phone and computer.
At what point do we stop giving up any rights for the sake of a false sense of security?
I don’t think any of this is really about what the FBI wants with that phone as it is with the larger issue of having total access to any device they want, when they want it.
This is the excuse they are using to get that back door they want.
On 9-11 the terrorists won and our government used this as the excuse they wanted, not to stop any terrorism, but to have a means of more spying on the citizens of this country and find a way to exert more control.
The TSA at the airports to the creation of Homeland Security, all has been to spy on us rather to really combat terrorism. There really is no way to fight or combat terrorism totally.
Our Freedoms have slowly eroded all in the name of saving us from Terrorism. Terrorism has replaced saving us from Communism as the new State of Fear. So much can be traced back to the National Security Act of 1947 on out march down the road to save us from ourselves.
If Apple gives the government access, the terrorists will simply move to software encryption on top of the iPhone security, they are not stupid, but 99% of citizen users will not bother to do that.
Getting the data from one phone will just give the government access to all phones which is the real reason for this demand by our kindly government.
I remember when PGP was announced, government worrywarts wanted to shut it down and make unbreakable encryption illegal.
True to form the same government that imports all these terrorists now complains that they can't track them without the tech industries help. How about not bringing them here?
I am NOT an expert, but the OS encrypts and decrypts automatically as needed. If the phone is turned off, the data is in an encrypted state. Only having logged on as the user can the data be accessed.
You are soo correct, Captain. Perhaps we will simply rediscover that only God is in charge of our security, in this world, unto the next.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, it appears wolves are circling their prey, coming from both sides of the field.
I don't think that will be a problem. The Judge's next move will be to order Federal Marshals to grab whatever official of the Apple company that is responsible for refusing to comply with his order, and tossing him into jail on a contempt order.
The "backdoor" if it exists WOULD be used to grant the government easy access to all devices if Apple complies with this order.
Not necessarily. If Apple unlocks the phone, they don't have to tell anyone how they did it. Only if the government attempts to force them to reveal how they did it could your argument be valid. To my knowledge, this is not what is being asked of them. They aren't being ordered to grant the government access to all Iphones, just this one.
If you believe otherwise, you are not skeptical enough of your government.
Oh, i'm pretty skeptical of the government, but I'm also cognizant of the fact that a search warrant represents a valid and constitutionally legitimate process for allowing the government to have access to locked items.
We have the rule of law here, and we should also be expected to follow the law when it is in favor of the government performing it's legitimate duties.
If Apple stands firm and the government continues to whine about not being able to break this encryption, that will do more to boost their sales than anything else they can do.
Could be, but the current issue isn't about Apple sales. It's about Apple compliance with a Federal Judge's order. Apple may be big, but they aren't that big.
This current flap is about preventing effective encryption from being employed by regular Americans, so that the government can spy on them for whatever reason they want to.
No, that's how Apple is attempting to present it. The current flap is about Apple refusing to cooperate with an investigation by unlocking a phone for which there is a court order for them to do so, and regarding two dead people who no longer have any privacy rights under the law anyway.
I don't think Apple is going to win a fight with a Federal Judge, especially with the law on the Judge's side. Now they can characterize the issue any way they want, but this is not going to fool the Judge regarding his order with which they have yet to comply.
Exactly right. They didn't care one bit about the killers' connections until they suddenly realized the crime made a nice pretext for expanding their spying capabilities.
This is not about hacking into one phone. The FBI wants Apple to create a tool that can be used to hack into ANY Apple product.
That’s the problem.
Yes. Better yet, don't own a cell phone. I know obnoxious relatives that my wife keeps tabs on. They tweet and post everything on their cell phone - everything they see and do, when they go on vacation, private information, what they purchase and own, etc. We know more about their habits than they do. We are more private, because it's not just super-secret information you need to keep from prying eyes. You don't need to yell at someone to stay off your lawn if you have a fence around it and keep the gate locked.
If the iPhone were locked with a 16 character passcode (perfectly possible) entangled with the internal 128 character UUID, and you are using a theoretical Supercomputer that could try 150,000 possible keys per second (three trillion per year) possible keys every second, then it COULD be broken in a mere 5.62 undecillion years. That's 5.62 X 10195 years.
Considering that it is estimated the Universe would have died a heat death into a soup of quarks and leptons by a mere 1080 years, your attempted tries would not even be half-way done before there'd be no atoms or protons, neutrons, or even electrons left to do it with.
They may be bent on the destruction of our freedoms but, sadly, it is a cowardly American public who are succeeding on their behalf. Your post is exhibit A.
You favor a government that has the right to press you into service at the point of a gun? In order to be subject to jail, one has to be in contravention of the law. Show me the law that says the court can issue an order to anyone for any reason and jail them if they don't comply!
That is what is being threatened here. The back door doesn't exist. Apple is being pressed into service to create one. Since when do were cheer on the government forcing a citizen or company to develop a product to defeat their own business?
In matters of security vs freedom, I side with Freedom. There are other ways to catch the bad guys without giving the government and hackers access to my iPhone.
Not letting the bad guys into this country in the first place would be a good start.
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