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To: DiogenesLamp
The Judge's next move will be to order Federal Marshals to grab whatever official of the Apple company that is responsible for refusing to comply with his order, and tossing him into jail on a contempt order.

You favor a government that has the right to press you into service at the point of a gun? In order to be subject to jail, one has to be in contravention of the law. Show me the law that says the court can issue an order to anyone for any reason and jail them if they don't comply!

That is what is being threatened here. The back door doesn't exist. Apple is being pressed into service to create one. Since when do were cheer on the government forcing a citizen or company to develop a product to defeat their own business?

118 posted on 02/17/2016 12:37:28 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke
You favor a government that has the right to press you into service at the point of a gun?

Please do not create a false equivalency between what I said and what you seem to think I said.

We are all Constitutionalists here. We have the right to be secure in our papers and property, but the Constitution also grants the government, with just cause, the authority to search private residences and effects for evidence so long as they obtain a search warrant from a Judge.

They have obtained the search warrant. The evidence is compelling that they will find further evidence of criminal activity in the item which they wish to search.

Your saying that I favor government pressing people into the service at the point of a gun is no more fair to me than it would be for me to claim that you support terrorists.

You do not support terrorists, and I don't support out of control government. It just so happens that the government is legally and morally correct in this particular instance.

Show me the law that says the court can issue an order to anyone for any reason and jail them if they don't comply!

There may very well be a statute which states this, but I know that it was common law long before it ever became a US statute. Refusing to comply with a Judge's order has been a jailable offense since before we had a legal system.

In other words, it is "Common Law", and does not require a statute.

The back door doesn't exist.

We do not know this to be true.

Apple is being pressed into service to create one.

We also do not know this to be true. You cannot create a back door. It either exists or it does not.

Do you know who has the answer to that question? The Coders who wrote the code and work for Apple inc.

Statements from Apple management may or may not be true. They may very well have a means of accessing an encrypted IPhone, but they may not want anyone to know that such a capability exists.

My gut feeling is that they do. I often write code, and it would never occur to me to create a piece of code that I couldn't access if I wanted to.

Apple can probably do this, but they don't want people to know they can do this because they perceive their encryption system as good for their sales.

131 posted on 02/17/2016 1:42:21 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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