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U.S. special forces not ready to integrate women, report finds
Washington Times ^ | 2/15/16 | Rowan Scarborough

Posted on 02/15/2016 11:13:56 PM PST by Nachum

At a time when U.S. special operations are devising plans for the mission of accepting women into the male domains of SEALs, Green Berets and Army Rangers, the terrorist-fighting community is facing a looming readiness problem.

The new challenge is tucked inside President Obama’s 2017 defense budget. It states that U.S. Special Operations Command (SOCOM) and its 69,000 personnel are up against “training challenges” and is seeing “minor impacts to the forces’ ability to accomplish missions” that could grow worse.

Army Green Berets and Navy SEALs face some limits on training due to cutbacks in fleet and training range operations, according to a budget overview document sent to Congress last week.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


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1 posted on 02/15/2016 11:13:56 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

I hope they’re never ready.


2 posted on 02/15/2016 11:17:57 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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3 posted on 02/15/2016 11:21:00 PM PST by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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So for the past several decades our military has only been picking individuals from the extreme high-end tail of a normal distribution.

Along comes another group of individuals who come from a different normal distribution with a lower mean value.

How many individuals can we select from this lower distribution so that we won't lower the overall capabilities of the final selected group?

If the answer is not very close to zero then we must be using politically correct math.

4 posted on 02/15/2016 11:23:22 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Nachum

Haha. Good.


5 posted on 02/15/2016 11:41:14 PM PST by Politicalkiddo ("Death be not proud, one short sleep past, we wake eternally, and death shall be no more.."- J.Donne)
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first let women go into the NFL play against the guys and see how long last...


6 posted on 02/16/2016 12:03:46 AM PST by RginTN (Donald J Trump- why would the people of Ky want a rookie senator when they have Sen Mitch Mcconnell)
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To: Nachum

So accept the required number in tomorrow. Have them do whatever. Have them always training somewhere far away, with relaxed grooming standards and street clothes. Somehow never get around to sending them on actual missions, etc.
Lots of good fighter pilots never get deployed,,,right?
Truthfully report that your chick quota is met.
Wait for replacement president.

Next problem.


7 posted on 02/16/2016 12:25:53 AM PST by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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“How many individuals can we select from this lower distribution so that we won’t lower the overall capabilities of the final selected group?”

An unprovable, silent, two-tiered system is the answer. Mix them into teams in training. Use them for nothing real. Give them army commendation medals and legions of merit. Put their picture in the paper. Ride the bench. Nobody has a right to be deployed, to go on missions, etc.


8 posted on 02/16/2016 12:29:12 AM PST by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: RginTN
Women have no business being in special forces dud to basic physical limitations on strength, size and endurance

The general public has little idea of exactly what our special forces do and what kind of missions they carry out and how demanding those missions can be

Look the numbers

A large percentages of the men applying for army military service are rejected

Of those that make it in, only a fraction are combat capable

Of those combat troops, only a fraction apply for Rangers and many do not make it through Ranger School.

Less than 10% of Ranger grads make the grade to the next level of Special Forces.

If you want to see the difference between men and women in combat go watch the youtube video of Dutch kick boxer of Lucia Rijker fighting a male opponent somchai Jaidee .

Lucia is possibly the best woman kick boxer and boxer of the last century and Jaidee was a decent but less than outstanding opponent .

Lucia is the best of the best in woman's class and sh fought Jaidee at her peak , in prime condition and still got her ass kicked in a third round knockout so badly she retired from kick boxing due to injuries sustained in that fight

This against a man of her own size of 5'6” 135 lb and weight class or slightly smaller than her.

Even Lucia would have no chance against a 6’ 3” 225 lb trained SEAL or Other top tier special forces soldier.

Its simple reality, not some Hollywood movie where some heroine takes on 20 Russian Spetnaz operators all by herself and kills them all without even breaking a sweat.

The number of women who can legitimately make the grade in special forces is so vanishingly small that it is not worth the enormous effort to accommodate women in that branch of service.

9 posted on 02/16/2016 1:03:29 AM PST by rdcbn ("If what has happened here is not treason, it is its first cousin." Zell Miller)
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Everybody gets a trophy!

Whee!

The soccermommerization of the military.

10 posted on 02/16/2016 1:25:58 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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Lucia wouldn’t have a chance with the enemy, mo matter his size. As we saw with the Iranian capture of our soldiers, the woman put the rest of the group in danger. If their captors so much as hinted they would rape her, the rest of the group submits to their demands. That was a demonstration of the failure of that policy. She was the reason they surrendered and she knows it was her that bought them to their knees, not a few Iranian sailors.


11 posted on 02/16/2016 1:34:11 AM PST by momincombatboots (Trump... The only Democrat who can win. Well played democrats. Mr single payer 2000!? Trump)
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To: Nachum

The special forces will be ready to take females when the NFL starts using female linebackers.


12 posted on 02/16/2016 2:34:34 AM PST by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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Likewise the NFL isn’t ready to field octogenarians.


13 posted on 02/16/2016 3:58:24 AM PST by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: DesertRhino

Except they use it as a resume builder and in 30 years they are in a position to mess things up.


14 posted on 02/16/2016 3:59:54 AM PST by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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Its simple reality, not some Hollywood movie where some heroine takes on 20 Russian Spetnaz operators all by herself and kills them all without even breaking a sweat.

The Hollywood movie IS reality for Obama, and a big chunk of the media and general public. After all, gender is just a social construct. We can reconstruct a different reality if we try hard enough, and impose severe enough penalties on anyone who fails to reorder their perceptions swiftly enough.

15 posted on 02/16/2016 4:22:13 AM PST by sphinx
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A tiny few might pass the training after steroids and a years workup and personal training.. But They will never be able to handle the day to day grind like men. It is about endurance both mental and physical. A combat tour us a marathon not a sprint. A combat infantry man is basically a pack mule with a rifle.


16 posted on 02/16/2016 4:36:01 AM PST by central_va
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17 posted on 02/16/2016 4:43:25 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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There is a reason that women don’t play in the NFL or NBA or MLB or NHL. This is just more social engineering.

AND what military will we ever go up against that has women in their front lines or in any kind of special forces?


18 posted on 02/16/2016 4:44:38 AM PST by Texas resident (The democrat party will destroy our country and they think they won't be affected.)
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To: DesertRhino

Great idea - except for the fact that the numbers of nearly useless female members count against your end strength, which means that your unit will either try to do the mission with them or function with lower numbers.

The females will almost certainly object to being put in rear area positions, so expect complaints up (and bypassing) the chain of command and Equal Opportunity complaints, etc.,etc.

The next piece of fun will be as the unit members become sexually (I mean romantically) involved. Unit dynamics, assignments and favoritism - plus jealousy from those left out - will trash unit effectiveness.

Bottom line: our choice is the combat worth of our defense entities or making every aggrieved group feel better about themselves.

Equality is not the same as equivalence.


19 posted on 02/16/2016 4:49:58 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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LETS START BY MAKING OBAMA AND HIS FAMILY’S SS DETAIL .....ALL WOMEN

this scumbag spits in the face of the military and like most libtards NEVER SERVED HIS COUNTRY.... he is the world’s assclown...


20 posted on 02/16/2016 5:33:07 AM PST by zzwhale (YEP)
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