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To: Lurkinanloomin

One is NATURALLY a US citizen when one cannot possibly be anything else.
Born here of citizen parents.
Natural born citizen.


18 posted on 02/15/2016 7:31:48 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

You nailed it.


28 posted on 02/15/2016 7:36:29 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Donald Trump? Yikes!)
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To: Lurkinanloomin
I guess the Trumpster is out as well.

From wikipedia, "Donald John Trump was born on June 14, 1946, in the New York City borough of Queens. He is the fourth of five children to Mary Anne (née MacLeod; 1912–2000), a homemaker and philanthropist and Fred Trump (1905–1999), who worked as a real estate developer. His mother was born at Tong on the Scottish island of Lewis."

The Trumpster's mother was born in Scotland and there is no proof she acquired US citizen by the time the Trumpster was born. He needs to prove his mother was a naturalized US citizen at his birth, otherwise I am suing his orange oompa loompa ass.

32 posted on 02/15/2016 7:37:28 PM PST by JerseyRepub (I voted for John Kerry before I voted against him!)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Sorry, according to the US Code that is not correct.
A citizen at birth is a natural born citizen and has never needed to be naturalized.

According to U.S.C Title 8 Section 1101 - Definitions (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1101) subsection A part (23), the term “naturalization” ONLY occurs after being born. Thus a person who, by the circumstances of their birth is a citizen, and never needs to be naturalized is a natural born citizen.

It is organic to a nation state to define it’s boundaries as well as it’s citizens. Every nation does this. The US Constitution vests the authority to determine the rules of naturalization - which includes all rules, with Congress. This is specifically enumerated in Article I Section 8.

Thus Congress is vested with the authority to determine who are aliens and need to be naturalized in order to be a citizen. It also is vested with the authority to determine who is a citizen. Some are citizens via naturalization, some are citizens AT BIRTH (the at birth is important). Congress has addressed this issue by determining who is a citizen at birth. The current state of the law is addressed in Title 8 section 1401 - Citizens at birth (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401).

Under subsection A of that code, all who are born on US soil are US Citizens at birth and having never been naturalized are therefore natural born citizens

Under subsection G of that code (even the prior version), all who are born to at least one US citizen parent, as long as that parent has met the time requirements for residence inside the US, is also a citizen at birth. And like subsection A above, have never been naturalized and are therefore natural born citizens.


73 posted on 02/15/2016 7:58:38 PM PST by taxcontrol ( The GOPe treats the conservative base like slaves by taking their votes and refuses to pay)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

like your definition.


74 posted on 02/15/2016 7:58:41 PM PST by dadfly
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