Posted on 02/04/2016 4:02:30 AM PST by RoosterRedux
Edited on 02/04/2016 4:15:48 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
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Well gosh I am sorry, I guess you were being charitable then. Because cruzmatics will allow the practitioner to come up with any numbers he wants. If a poll showed Trump was going to win and instead he lost... you could actually have used Cruzmatics to show that Trump lost by INFINITELY more than the polls showed.
The only thing that is going to be accomplished by the type of BS you are pedaling is that the non-establishment conservative vote will be split with both camps feeling bitter about the lies and mischaracterizations that have been made about both them and their candidate. The GOPe candidate will walk away with the nomination and we will all be forced to listen to you and your best buddies whining about how you are all being forced to sit out another election. That is what happens when you have one of the candidates who has hired a bunch calculating political manipulators to disrupt their opposition. Do I really need to tell you who has done this?
Do you not realize that Trump and Rubio are both the Establishment candidates?? Rove even came out to defend Trump today. How much more proof do you need?
I have no need to embellish Trump’s loss. I’ve known all along that his polls numbers were bogus just as his NH, SC, and national polls are bogus. Below are several recent posts on FR regarding polls the day of the Iowa caucus.
The average is showing a 10.3% to 12.3%, with the highest being 19% and the lowest being 4%, difference in what Trump was polling versus what he actually performed in Iowa. No need to “make thing up” as you claim because the FACTS are self evident!
I can even find more posts, polls, and stories if needed.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3391434/posts
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3391386/posts
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3391314/posts
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3391158/posts
http://nypost.com/2016/02/01/donald-trump-sitting-pretty-in-iowa-polls/
In the South we are used to being conned by the son of the Preacher man. Live and learn. :-)
Trump seems to be fearless in the face of all the mortal threats. It’s one reason he has earned so many supporters.
Well, think what ever it takes to make yourself feel good. It won’t be long and all will be revealed. Trump is not an establishment candidate however. That is just silly. Rove certainly did not endorse him. The truth is the truth however and I do not trust someone who puts together a team of dirty trixters... high priced dirty trick players. Expect to keep defending your man... there is much more to come guaranteed.
“Rove certainly did not endorse him”
I never said Rove endorsed Trump. I said Rove DEFENDED Trump. That is the problem with Trump supporters...they read between the lines and make silly assumptions rather than just reading the words.
“think what ever it takes to make yourself feel good”
Unfortunately, all that Trump and his supporters can do is call names and fling insults because they don’t have any substance and can’t win on policy. That won’t play well in the general or the southern primaries.
I would DEFEND you if someone was making crap up the way that the Cruz dirty tricks team has spun disinformation about Trump. The same disinformation you have been spreading here. That’s what I love about Cruz supporters they will say anything if they think it will help Cruz to win. In that way they are very much like the man they love. The problem is that I don’t think there are enough people willing to suspend there allegiance to the truth for Cruz to actually be elected. It is quite impressive though, the amount of hypocrisy we have witnessed lately.
“I would DEFEND you if someone was making crap up the way “
Ok, I’ll hold you to that! Trump is claiming Cruz gave us Obamacare even though Cruz was not even in the Senate at the time. It is pure B.S., but are you going to call Trump and his minions out on it??
“The same disinformation you have been spreading here. “
I have not said ANYTHING untrue or misleading!! And for you to accuse otherwise just shows your stupidity or tendency to lie. You tell me which...
“the amount of hypocrisy we have witnessed lately”
Yes, and it all comes from Trumpanzees!
Idiots think Cruz dropped from 4th (Trump, Kasich, Rubio, Cruz) to third. If you leave this site and go to DU you will raise the IQ's of both sites.
Lets step back and take a BS Check shall we:
Trump underperformed the polls by 17%
-— A 10 ON THE BS SCALE
No one cares about the NH primary
-— A 10 ON THE BS SCALE
Cruz’s dirty tricks team told everyone at the Caucus that Carson was quitting because of a misunderstanding
-— A 10 ON THE BS SCALE
Carl Rove is trying to help Donald Trump
-— A 10 ON THE BS SCALE
Trump is an establishment candidate
-— A 10 ON THE BS SCALE
Do we really need to go on and on? Or have we found a new BS Champion?
Just like Iowa....
“Lets step back and take a BS Check shall we”
Ok, aren’t you cute...or rather you’re showing your ignorance. I’ve already provided the links and evidence to PROVE each of the assertions. The fact that you’re too stupid to understand it or too big a LIAR to admit it is your problem.
Trump did underperform by 10-17%, depending on the polls. The many polls that I already cited and provided the links, all from FR, clearly showed that Trump was expected to beat Cruz by 6 to 13 points, but instead Trump LOST by 4% and barely even beat Rubio. I know...I know...the math is too much for you, but I’ll make it easy for you...6+4=10 and 13+4=17.
Only Trumpanzees care about NH. Nobody else does because NH is irrelevant. NH only has 23 delegates so even if Trump wins in a landslide then Trump will only get 5-6 of those delegates and NH will vote demoncrat in the general anyway. Wow...not very epic when Cruz will easily win 50-120 of the Texas delegates.
I never said anything about any tricks during the caucus so your delusions must be coming out again. But now that you brought that up...I think Trump and Trumpanzees are nothing but sore losers! After all, Trump is now stating that Cruz was responsible for us having Obamacare even though Cruz wasn’t even in office at the time. Now that is a LIE and dirty trick in NH, but I’m sure you Trumpanzees will accept it.
Rove did defend Trump. That is a FACT and you can even read the article on FR if you can read at all.
Trump is the establishment candidate. Again, that is a FACT since all the RINOs...Scott Brown, Rove, Reid, and Pelosi are Trump’s bffs now, by Trump’s OWN admission.
Yes, you are definitely the new B.S. and Stupidity Champion all rolled into one! Congratulations!!
“Trump is an establishment candidate”
Oh, and don’t forget JIMMY CARTER LOVES TRUMP TOO!!!
Aren’t we having fun now? I do agree that Cruz is the candidate that represents fits you perfectly. Please don’t switch! You are crude, nasty, self righteous, couldn’t care less if what you are saying is accurate and do not know how to get along with those who have a different point of view. In other words you have the same set of people skills that Cruz is so famous for.
Unfortunately, no matter how many dirty tricks his team comes up with because Cruz shares so many of your personality traits he does not have even the slightest chance of becoming the nominee. People are not going to elect someone who is just plain not likeable.
And what good has your nastiness actually done for you? Nothing. You have condemned yourself to a miserable life and I pity you a great deal. But like I said; PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not EVER CHANGE SIDES.
“You are crude, nasty, self righteous,”
Hey pot, the kettle is calling....Alinsky is that you??
“couldn’t care less if what you are saying is accurate “
That just proves you’re the typical liberal low info voter then...from your own mouth
“no matter how many dirty tricks “
There were NO dirty tricks...that is just sore loser talk
“does not have even the slightest chance of becoming the “
Trump won’t be the nominee and if he did, he would lose to Hillary and Sanders, as depicted in all the polls that you Trumpanzees like so much. Trump even has the highest unfavorable rating of all the candidates, according to those same polls, so you’re opinions are baseless and just show your ingorance.
“You have condemned yourself to a miserable life”
There you go making false assumptions/accusations again. I’ve got a great life and I’m very successful. I’m just honest enough and smart enough to check the fact BEFORE making judgment, which is different than you and the average Trump supporter.
“PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not EVER CHANGE SIDES.”
Don’t worry, I’m a strict conservative so I won’t change sides. I’ll continue supporting Cruz, the only conservative in the race. I could NEVER support a liberal manipulator and cry baby like Trump. That is more your type of candidate.
That just proves you’re the typical liberal low info voter then...from your own mouth
Well I guess a life time of supporting conservative causes has just gone down the drain. The people who have known me for many years be shocked. You do know that approximately 60% of the people on Free Republic feel that Donald Trump is our best option this time around.
I am glad that you are still around... When I didn’t hear back from you for a while I was worried that I had hurt your feelings. You are always so considerate of other peoples’ point of view and such a great example for Cruz people to follow. Not only do you make witty well thought ought arguments, you are a stellar representative of the Christian and pure Conservative point of view. Keep up the good work. I am sure that your efforts here are bearing fruit and changing lots of people’s minds about who it is that they want to be associated with. /s
“Well I guess a life time of supporting conservative causes has just gone down the drain. “
Well, if you support a liberal like Trump then I would have to agree with you...
“You do know that approximately 60% of the people on Free Republic”
Typical Trump poll inflation...when FR did the informal poll a few weeks ago, more people supported Cruz than Trump by nearly a 2:1 margin.
“I am glad that you are still around...”
I could say the same about you and other Trump supporters. I’ve been called every name in the book by Trump supporters simply because I provide links and facts to counter their emotional based arguments. Trump supporters prefer to keep their head in the sand and enjoy the ‘feel good’, empty rhetoric from Trump’s speeches. It is much like the Obama cult of personality. But just like Obama supporters, apparently, facts are a Trump supporter’s kryptonite!
There is a daily survey on Free Republic that as of last night showed that approximately 60% of people on Free Republic support Mr. Trump. Most posters are aware of it... apparently despite your omniscience you have not been participating. LOL.
As far as name calling goes... You might want to review your own posts to see whether people are responding to you in a predictable way. The vast majority of people here regardless of their point of view are capable of carrying on a civil discussion. This is how we learn from each other. I would not still be participating in discussions here after a dozen or more years if this were not the case. But there are a few who seem to have a great deal of difficulty with this.
You say that you are successful and happy... what about the people around you? Are you someone who adds happiness and joy to those around you? Is that something that matters to you? I have known many people who were going through life feeling like they were in complete control and then something happened... A little introspection might be valuable.
“There is a daily survey on Free Republic”
You mean that survey that several Trump supporters are ON RECORD claiming to have voted more than once? That is NOT very scientific or accurate. I prefer the actually individual response survey that was done less than 2 week ago. People couldn’t vote more than once on that.
“As far as name calling goes”
Again, I could say the same for you. I was NOT the first person to call anyone a name. You might want to read my posts before you make your false accusations. I always attempt a civil discussion until some Trump supporter decides to call names or call you a liar or stupid. Then I give as good as I get because those people do deserve it. You have been NO different.
“what about the people around you”
Actually, yes, the people around me do enjoy my company. That is why I have such a large social and professional network throughout Texas. In fact, most people come to me for advice because I can be objective, I have high moral values, and I don’t let my emotions get the better of me. I’ve seen very few Trump supporters on FR that can say the same thing. Maybe instead of casting your false aspersions, maybe you should stop projecting and take a look in your own mirror.
Your posts are a good example. I try to focus on the issues, but you constantly need to make personal attacks. Your entire post is a personal attack and offers NO relevant information regarding the issues, but then you have the nerve to call me “mean”. That must be why you like Trump since Trump loves the personal attacks, but has no substance on the issues. Get a life and try to stay focused on the issues next time!!
You can vote as many times in you want in the survey, but the person who tabulates the results counts only the last vote that is made. The entire vote can be seen by anyone and independently verified. Approximately 60% of the people who take part in the survey vote for Trump. It is a fact. How can that be "unscientific"?
As far as the tone of our messages to one another... it is laughable that you would claim that you have taken the high road. Anyone who wanted to waste their time could take a look. Your posts make it appear that you are an unsavory character. I suppose it is possible that you are actually a good guy in other aspects of your life and you are using this forum to lash out at others for the sake of your mental health. I hope that is the case.
God bless you and good luck in all of your endeavors.
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