[poconopundit]

...Once again, Ted is shaving the truth on this. He did not disclose the loans on his campaign FEC forms...

Exactly.   I'm beginning to think a "good debater" is somebody who can best tiptoe through lies without getting caught.   An honest lawyer for President anyone?

SubMareener, are you a former Navy submarine fleet?   I'm ex-ship driver type. Cheers.

[SubMareener]

Yes. I got halfway through Nuclear Poser School as an enlisted (EM3) before being picked up for OCS. Then back to Nuclear Power School, and two and a half years on USS TREPANG (SSN 674). During which period our average speed was 4.5 knots, in port time included.