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Think Trump's Bankruptcies Make Him Unqualified? That's Foolish
Townhall.com ^ | January 29, 2016 | Bryan Crabtree

Posted on 01/29/2016 10:53:18 AM PST by Kaslin

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1 posted on 01/29/2016 10:53:18 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
The author had a great string of valid points here, but he undermined his whole case with this one item:

Had I not allowed banks to manipulate us into those personal guarantees, those entities could have survived through Chapter 11 restructuring.

Someone who makes a statement like this in a public venue has zero credibility. Nobody manipulated you, dude. You signed the papers yourself, so you are responsible for your actions.

2 posted on 01/29/2016 10:59:23 AM PST by Alberta's Child (My mama said: "To get things done, you'd better not mess with Major Tom.")
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I don’t know how much of this stems from America’s latent hatred of business. Hollywood never portrayed a businessman as anything but the villain and maybe the impression stuck.

Or it could be socialism’s fear and loathing of capitalism. At any rate, it’s as ingrained as TV commercials that show the husband as a boob with a smarter wife. We come to resemble how we are portrayed.

And yet, there’s hope. To this day, Michael Douglas gets a majority of fans thinking Gordon Gekko’s “greed is good” was a breath of fresh air. It irritates him.


3 posted on 01/29/2016 11:01:56 AM PST by sparklite2 ( "The white man is the Jew of Liberal Fascism." -Jonah Goldberg)
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To: Kaslin

Logical and coherent. Thanks.


4 posted on 01/29/2016 11:04:37 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: Kaslin

What’s that sound?

Sound like people jumping.

GOPe jumping.

Jumping in the band wagon.


5 posted on 01/29/2016 11:05:48 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Kaslin
"Don't wish to vote for him for any other legitimate reason? That makes you an American."

That list is extensive!

6 posted on 01/29/2016 11:08:01 AM PST by RasterMaster ("Towering genius disdains a beaten path." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: ifinnegan
What’s that sound? Sound like people jumping. GOPe jumping. Jumping in the band wagon.

Why? Yeb!'s number's are growing. The slugfest between Cruz and Trump is opening the door wider and wider for him to gain traction and use those blocking candidates to get a foothold. Yeb!'s now within the margin of error for second place in New Hampshire, where he should be dead.

GOPe's plan is working out great - get the eggs into one basket and smash it. They'll hand the keys to the White House to Hillary rather than risk having their apple cart overturned.

7 posted on 01/29/2016 11:09:11 AM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: sparklite2

I think there may be more of a fear of corporations as entities than there is of capitalism itself amongst many independents.


8 posted on 01/29/2016 11:11:27 AM PST by RedStateRocker (Better questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.)
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To: sparklite2
I don't know how much of this stems from America's latent hatred of business.

It's not hatred for business; it's hatred for dishonestly gaming the system to get rich by taking wealth from others, as opposed to building it. Look at David Packard by comparison. NOBODY criticizes him for how he went about building HP. Similarly, James J. Hill is lionized as a hero for the way he built Great Northern Railway, while Cornelius Vanderbilt is properly reviled as a crony capitalist. There are those who create and build and those who simply manipulate, grab, and accumulate.

So, look at Trump's record in business and what you'll see is a grandstanding crook who didn't make it as big as he claims. Hardly someone to emulate, much less elevate.

9 posted on 01/29/2016 11:11:56 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Dopey comment. He’s saying I should have negotiated better and gotten things non-recourse so those entities could have used Chapter 11. Because he gave a personal guarantee on 100% it wasn’t an option.


10 posted on 01/29/2016 11:12:26 AM PST by major-pelham
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To: RedStateRocker

I don’t know what makes someone go independent other than disgust with both parties. Being unable to choose between the free market and over-regulation is a foreign mindset to me.


11 posted on 01/29/2016 11:15:51 AM PST by sparklite2 ( "The white man is the Jew of Liberal Fascism." -Jonah Goldberg)
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To: Carry_Okie

OMG this crap again. Business is business - it’s only immoral when you don’t do it right. Did you read the article? Did you like the Hawaii way or the still in business airline doing it the right way. If Trump was a crook with all the people like you out there and all the lefty Manhattan DA’s and US Atty’s he’d have been in jail a long time ago.


12 posted on 01/29/2016 11:16:14 AM PST by major-pelham
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To: kingu

It’s crazy.

Jeb was down and out.

The Donald singlehandedly brought him back to life.


13 posted on 01/29/2016 11:16:19 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Kaslin

From what I understand, Trump himself didn’t go bankrupt, it was some of his developments that did. Liberal media never get their facts straight.


14 posted on 01/29/2016 11:16:52 AM PST by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: Carry_Okie

Are you planning to carry your hatred beyond the primaries and into the general election? What if Trump is the next president? Will you hate him then, too?


15 posted on 01/29/2016 11:17:44 AM PST by sparklite2 ( "The white man is the Jew of Liberal Fascism." -Jonah Goldberg)
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To: major-pelham

He should have just said that. Instead, he made it sound like the banks did something wrong in his case.


16 posted on 01/29/2016 11:17:46 AM PST by Alberta's Child (My mama said: "To get things done, you'd better not mess with Major Tom.")
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I think doing business of any kind can be fraught with unforseen pitfalls. the banks have (effectively) infinite pockets and (effectively) infinitely good memory and experience. OTOH, we humans all start from zero, which makes the human experience in contrast to the corporate experience a learning experience. I would imagine that coming up the speed of the banks from a standing start could be challenging for you, me, and anyone (including Trump). IIRC some founding fathers, including presidents (eg Jefferson) either died penniless, or came close to it. Yet few would dispute that they accomplished a lot for the good of most if not all.

In pioneer days, people would not infrequently go bankrupt, then they would simply start over (perhaps moving to another state and/or changing careers), and amass an even larger fortune. This could happen multiple times. Often the better persons would then honor their debts. It was a pioneer spirit. It was a part of existence in those days. For better or otherwise, Trump seems to have part of that pioneer spirit in him.


17 posted on 01/29/2016 11:19:44 AM PST by SteveH
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It’s crazy. Jeb was down and out. The Donald singlehandedly brought him back to life.

That is probably the most amusing statement I've read today.

Please, do expand on how it is apparently all Trump's fault? I'll just sit over here reading the latest issue of National Review.

18 posted on 01/29/2016 11:20:21 AM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: kingu

A one-two Trump-Cruz was unbeatable.

Open convention now is possible.


19 posted on 01/29/2016 11:26:04 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Kaslin

My father had a bankruptcy. So did my main business partner, before we became partners.

When you are self-employed and the govt changes the rules in the middle of a 5-8 year project, yes, you might go bankrupt.

There are also different types of bankruptcy. Chapter 7 is when you lose it all, like my partner did.

Chapter 11 is a reorganization and partial forgiveness of debts. That’s what my father had to do.

Volker took my partner down, Reagan took my father down.


20 posted on 01/29/2016 11:26:57 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (Trump and/or Cruz, it's all good)
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