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To: Jeff Head
I believe Lavoy was not wanting to die...its a false narrative for anyone to say he had a death wish.

Or that he was trying to "commit suicide by cop," a rumor I've heard. This is totally ludicrous. How did the person who says such a careless, idle thing explain to us how he got such privileged access to Lavoy's deepest conscience and intentions? What hogwash!!! (So bad, even the hog objects.)

No, make no mistake about it: Lavoy was executed because of his ideas, his beliefs about the constitutional order of his dearly-beloved home, his country. Which ideas are exceedingly inimical to the interests of the Washington establishment. Hence, they snuffed him. They didn't want another Waco or Ruby Ridge, this time. They settled on one sacrificial victim, just to make their point.

Point taken: Do not mess with or defy the Feds in any way, shape, or form, EVER. Submit, and we'll leave you in peace. Otherwise, prepare to be severely handled.

I'm sickened over this incident. I pray God will bless and comfort Lavoy's family on their terrible loss, and that He will continue to bless patriots like Lavoy.

And you, Jeff! Thank you so very much for your astute and judicious analysis of these events!

469 posted on 01/30/2016 10:02:19 AM PST by betty boop (The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead.)
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To: betty boop

“I’m sickened over this incident. I pray God will bless and comfort Lavoy’s family on their terrible loss, and that He will continue to bless patriots like Lavoy.”

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My sentiments exactly. I go further however. After he was “taken down” there were citizens in the vehicle who presented NO THREAT to law enforcement. Look at the vehicle immobile in the snow bank, with no one firing out of it. Obviously NO THREAT from the vehicle just sitting there, with no one firing back, with the occupants hunkered down. The vehicle contained perhaps at least one citizen who might be arrested on a warrant, and also collateral innocents. YET the passengers were pummeled with rounds and tear gas, with no opportunity to exit the vehicle to surrender lest they be killed. This is clearly excessive force. It is NOT in our legitimate law enforcement experience for an arrest to be conducted in this hail of fire, much less with innocents in the vehicle. IMHO the focus should be on the injustice to the Hammonds and this egregious attempt to arrest peaceable citizens — with a hail of bullets and gas! Yes, LeVoy too! But the attack on the truck after he was felled, shows the extent of excessive and unnecessary force that was employed, for no legitimate reason because there was NO THREAT.


471 posted on 01/30/2016 10:22:21 AM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: betty boop

Thanks, betty. we have been friends and strategists here on FR for many years. Please, read my entire analysis:

http://www.jeffhead.com/Lavoy.htm

I do not believe that Lavoy was “executed.” I do not believe the officers on the scene had any desite to kill himm on anyone. I do not believe they received an order to kill anyone.

There were eight people there. Seven lived, and they all surrendered peacefully and without a threat.

Thos offiers were put in a bad situation that shuld never have been set up...and they were by managers who wanted to end the situation and were willing to put people at risk to do so. They are the ones culpable for the decisions.

By Lavoy made decisions too. Those decisions, sadly and tragically led to his death.

1) He left the 1st stop. I have gone over and over the film...I see no evidence that shots were firred at the first stop.
2) He attempted to get around the road bock. HE almosty hit an officer in the process which would have been taken by those officers as a threat to their life.

3) He got out of the car and did not get down on the ground in the snow. He acted erracially, he did reach down twie, and, my dunerstanding from people close to the event was that he was demanding to see the sheriff and not complying with the orders given him.

These things were a recipe for diaster in that situation that the officers found themselves in and that LAvoy found himself in.

I understand his desire to try and talk sense into the officers, and to demand to see the sheriff. But that was not the place for it...and in an event where he had just narrowly missed hitting and injuring or killing one of the officers, it was not the time.

They had been told he was aremed and dangerous. He was armed. And regardless of what we think...in their mind he had just shwon them he was dangeorus. when he reached that secnd time...they were not going to wait and see if he pulled out a gun.

I am sickened by this and saddened by it too. Lavoy was a good man. He was a great father and grandfather and he and his wife were taking care of foster children. He was also a great American.

But he really should have either:

1) Surrendered at the fist stop.
2) Stopped at the road block and surrendered.
3) Simply have gotten down on the ground.

I am certain if he had done any of those, he would not be dead.

As it is, I pray for his soul, for his family and friends, and for our country. That we will not forget. That we will continue to be wiling to protest and fight against these over-reaches. And that the resulting legal action will look at and go after those that ordered this senseless action.


476 posted on 01/30/2016 10:37:58 AM PST by Jeff Head (Semper Fidelis - Molon Labe - Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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