There were several people in that car, and he talked with at least two of them.
If Federal officers are surrounding you...and you are armed (but not drawn) and they are screaming at you to stop...you DO NOT keep approaching them...at whatever speed.
Look, Lavoy was passionate about his beliefs and I agree with the sentiment against the feds 100%...and I have been on those front lines myself facing federal officers. (At Klamath)
Each has to decide how to handle themselves and how much emotion to display in such circumstances. But once guns are drawn and pointed...high emotion usually causes the events to escalate to violence.
Hopefully all of them will get their day in court and there can be a true and fair chance for them to tell what happened and for it to be examined.
In my own opinion, once they took the refuge and got on national TV where Ammon acquitted himself well in getting the message out...they should have declared victory and moved on to organizing multiple protests across the west, culminating in a big protest in Washington DC.
That may have had enough of a difference that the next administration would change things, and maybe even pardon and release the Hammonds. Now, it is likely that Ammon and his brother may get out of the pen around the time the Hammonds do...if they are lucky.
Who knows, perhaps they will get unbelievably talented lawyers who get them off, or out sooner.
But, this administration was not going to change anything no matter what these guys did.
But that’s all just my opinion.
For those who missed it...here’s the link to the video xzins and I were discussing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP-b6_X4M4k
Thanks, Jeff, for what you do.
My bottom line, regardless of the details, is that there was no need for a confrontation.
There was no imminent threat to life that cause these people to be stopped by obviously extremely well armed law enforcement.
Sorry Jeff, but the truth is that does not exist in this country any longer. Not by a long shot. We would be willfully blind to assume it does.
Justice is whatever the State and the courts they pack with Activist Judges say it is. Reality (from personal experience) is that you are guilty until you can prove yourself innocent the moment you step into a courtroom, unless you so happen to be one of the protected and lofted classes the State champions.
True and fair does not exist in America whenever it comes to having ANY dealings with government. A government no longer anchored to biblical and religious principles cannot uphold justice, for justice is whatever they say it is according to the whims and dictates of men in power.
PERIOD.
It is beyond corrupt. It is now despotic.
I was struck by the emotion that the person on the video tried, unsuccessfully, to conceal.
We must, however, remember that in every group such as this, 2 out of 3 people are fed plants.
My fight is not with law enforcement its with lawmakers aka polidiots ..... but they made their choice .
Sad events.....
I was there with you at Klamath Jeff
I agree, and said as much at the time that the objective of raising awareness had been met. Th that point, leave.
Establish a rally point, a clearing house for information about abuses and specific cases, and use websites and twitter/facebook to grow the movement.
This was far too far, far too soon.
Emotions prevailed over strategy.