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Australian government pressured to cut ties with Britain
Associated Press ^ | Jan 25, 2016 8:30 PM EST | Rod McGuirk

Posted on 01/25/2016 9:41:26 PM PST by Olog-hai

The Australian government came under mounting pressure on Australia's national day on Tuesday to appoint an Australian head of state to replace the British monarch.

Every Australia Day, an eminent Australian citizen is made Australian of the Year in recognition of his or her contribution to Australian society.

The 2016 Australian of the Year, former Chief of Army David Morrison, said in his acceptance speech on Monday night that he intended to use his new public profile to campaign for Australia severing its constitutional ties to Britain. ...

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TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: australia; australiaday; davidmorrison; elizabethii; monarchy

1 posted on 01/25/2016 9:41:27 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Misleading title. Nobody is arguing for Australia to cut political, diplomatic, military, trade, etc. ties to the UK - they just don’t want to have a monarch. Seems reasonable to me.


2 posted on 01/25/2016 9:45:37 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

It’s definitely cutting ties. Red China’s slowly taking over.


3 posted on 01/25/2016 9:49:13 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Alter Kaker

Very reasonable and very desired by a great number of Australians. Was discussing it with an Aussie friend just a couple of weeks ago. He said he hoped he lived long enough to see Australia free from England.


4 posted on 01/25/2016 9:51:39 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Mollypitcher1

In what way does the British monarchy have any impact on Australia?


5 posted on 01/25/2016 9:55:30 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Alter Kaker
There was a documentary on YouTube that looked into the question about who was the real King/Queen of England.

If some prince in the past had actually been the bastard son of the queen's paramour, then the current line is invalid.

The correct line of succession leads to a middleclass family man living in ... you guessed it ... Australia.

6 posted on 01/25/2016 9:55:32 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Olog-hai

UK should get rid of the royals.


7 posted on 01/25/2016 10:01:59 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: ifinnegan

Why? So they can be like France?


8 posted on 01/25/2016 10:06:45 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: naturalman1975; Olog-hai

What is your take on this?


9 posted on 01/25/2016 10:32:10 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: Olog-hai

Australia is ditching the UK thanks to stronger security ties with The US.


10 posted on 01/26/2016 12:19:20 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Olog-hai

I am sure that when Charles and Camilla become King and Queen there will be a resurgence of support for the Monarchy.


11 posted on 01/26/2016 3:35:14 AM PST by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: doorgunner69
The idea that Australia should become a republic and cease to be a constitutional monarchy is largely a preoccupation of the left in Australia - there are conservative republicans, but mostly it's a left wing idea. It comes from a few different places, but a lot of it is founded on resentment that the monarchy (in particular, the Queen's representative in Australia, the Governor General) is a brake that prevents a government from acting illegally and unconstitutionally - in 1975, the most left wing government and Prime Minister we have ever had - Gough Whitlam - who is worshipped by the left wing in Australia - was dismissed from office by the then Governor General, when he attempted to act outside the law and the constitutional conventions of Australia. Back in the 1930s, a very socialist government in New South Wales was likewise dismissed from office by their state Governor (again, the King's appointment) on similar grounds - acting illegally and outside constitutional convention. The left do not like the idea of being forced to accept that they have to govern within the law and constitution and that is a large part of why they would like to get rid of our current system of government.

This has come back into the media over the last few days, but it comes around every couple of years, and there's really nothing new in the recent revival.

I doubt there is going to be any change in the near future. It requires a referendum to change the Australian constitution - and we have compulsory voting here, and to pass a constitutional amendment, you need to get a majority of voters overall to approve the change and a majority of voters in a majority of states. There was a referendum held on this issue in 1999 and despite intensive lobbying by republicans, they failed to get either an overall majority or a majority in even a single state (they came close in one state). It's unlikely they'd succeed now.

The issue is that they really need to come up with a single model that the people would approve - they could probably get a majority vote on the issue of whether we should become a republic, but getting a majority vote on the particular model is much much harder - a large part of the reason the 1999 referendum failed for republicans is that a lot of republicans voted against the model (where a President would be elected by Parliament) because they wanted a directly elected President. If somebody put up a directly elected President model, it would probably fail because there are many republicans who regard that as dangerous (the Governor General has immense power in theory - it's limited by conventions that an elected president might not feel bound by, and by the fact that the Governor General is apolitical - a political president with the same powers could be a nightmare).

The bottom line for many Australians - even many republicans - is the fact that we have a stable government now. It works. Changing it and risking that stability is not something to be done lightly.

12 posted on 01/26/2016 2:24:15 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: nickcarraway
In what way does the British monarchy have any impact on Australia?

Actually, in quite a few ways - although it is the Australian Monarchy within Australia (it's a technical distinction, because the British Monarch and the Australian Monarch are physically the same person - but legally and constitutionally they are separate and that distinction is constitutionally important).

The powers of the Crown are still very real in Australia. The Queen (normally through her appointed representative resident in Australia, the Governor General (currently General Sir Peter Cosgrove - former Chief of the Australian Defence Force)) has the power to dismiss from office a Prime Minister, or an entire government that seeks to act illegally or unconstitutionally - and this isn't just some theoretical power. It happened in 1975, getting rid of the most socialist Prime Minister we've ever had before he could cause very serious damage (he was not dismissed because of his politics - but because of massive financial mismanagement that included unlawful activities by members of the Cabinet and a refusal to accept that he could no longer govern effectively and refusal to call an election in those circumstances). Members of the Defence Forces and the Police Forces take their oaths to the Queen as symbolic of the fact that there is a power above Parliament and in the event of a government acting outside the law and constitution, this means they have a duty to oppose that government. None of this is trivial.

And a significant part of the republican movement in Australia comes from socialists who don't like the idea that they can be restrained from acting outside the law and constitution. Not all republicans are motivated by that - but a significant number are.

13 posted on 01/26/2016 2:32:44 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975
Thanks for the education on Australian government. I suspect most have the feeling all is stable and unchanging down there.

The left do not like the idea of being forced to accept that they have to govern within the law and constitution

Sounds like the current regime and leftists in general here.

14 posted on 01/26/2016 2:34:44 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: naturalman1975
The body is with the king, but the king is not with The body. The king is a thing-- Hamlet Act 4 Scene 2
15 posted on 01/26/2016 2:37:33 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
The correct line of succession leads to a middleclass family man living in ... you guessed it ... Australia.

A middle class family man who was the 14th Earl of Loudoun (he died in 2012, and his son is now the 15th Earl).

The argument is that if Edward IV was illegitimate (which is quite possible - there are questions as to whether his 'father' Richard, Duke of York, was anywhere near his mother at the time of conception). If that was true, George, 1st Duke of Clarence should have become King instead of Edward IV, and the Earls of Loudoun are the senior surviving heirs of the George of Clarence.

16 posted on 01/26/2016 2:43:08 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: nickcarraway

None but leftists and Irish-Australians get their knickers twisted about it


17 posted on 01/27/2016 9:17:07 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ('Life is a comedy to those who think and a tragedy for those who feel' - Horace Walpole)
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