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Santorum: Cruz Has Dangerous Position on Marriage
The Iowa Republican ^ | January 19, 2016 | Craig Robinson

Posted on 01/19/2016 12:29:19 PM PST by Engraved-on-His-hands

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To: fwdude

“....States don’t have the right to call squares circles.”

Agreed. Our Founders wrote the Constitution based on Natural Law, which is God’s law.

Same-sex “marriage” is certainly not natural, and THAT is self-evident.


41 posted on 01/19/2016 1:23:34 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: fwdude

I have to disagree. I know of nothing in the Constitution (other than the 18th amendment) that gives the Feds power to legislate morality, or in the case of your example, metaphysics.

What is right and what is constitutionally permissible are not always the same thing and that is on purpose.


42 posted on 01/19/2016 1:29:51 PM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: MNJohnnie

Then go drive your car with square wheels if the “people” in your state want to defy reality.


43 posted on 01/19/2016 1:30:16 PM PST by fwdude
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To: Sun

The Federal Government does not have the right to determine moral issues for the States, under the Constitution. Whether a State can call a “square” a “circle,” is not the issue. The issue is who has the right to correct the mistake—and that right is not given to the Federal Bureaucracy, unless the State Government that calls the “square” a “circle,” has overthrown the republican Government in that State. In that situation, the Federal Government can restore the republican form, to the State; and the republican form of the State can deal, as it will, with the moral absurdity.


44 posted on 01/19/2016 1:30:50 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: gdani

How about being against states’ rights when it is about something that defies sanity?


45 posted on 01/19/2016 1:31:22 PM PST by fwdude
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To: RightOnTheBorder

Oh, I’m in full agreement with you on HOW this should be handled. The fed government has no business monkeying in state affairs. But the fed CAN determine how it deals in its own realm: Military, federal departments, etc. And it HAS legislated that marriage is what it always has been.

I’m just saying that for workability and consistency sake, there SHOULD be a consistent definition of marriage throughout the country. I would be perfectly fine with relegating redefinitionist states to the fringes of society, as long as sane states could act as they will.


46 posted on 01/19/2016 1:35:58 PM PST by fwdude
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands

Santorum’s “Use by Date” has long ago expired.


47 posted on 01/19/2016 1:53:28 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway - "Enjoy Yourself" ala Louis Prima)
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To: Ohioan

NY State did NOT deal with morality too well. NY had legalized abortion even before Roe v. Wade.

Our Founders made it clear that some things are self evident. Many issues should go to the states, but not issues that are self evident like life, marriage, and other Natural Law situations.


48 posted on 01/19/2016 1:53:33 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: fwdude

I am completely against deviant sex of any kind.

But your understanding of the constitution and the separation of powers is deeply flawed sir.


49 posted on 01/19/2016 1:53:47 PM PST by TheTimeOfMan (Cruz / West 2016)
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To: TheTimeOfMan
My guess is that you have a beef with the Fed government passing DOMA, am I right?

Do you know that DOMA did NOT restrict the states from passing any law they wanted regarding marriage, but, rather, RESTRICTED THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT in imposing these definitions on the states this regard?

In other words, DOMA bolstered states' rights. I think that is all that Rick Santorum is getting at.

50 posted on 01/19/2016 1:58:36 PM PST by fwdude
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To: DB
Yep, the constitution and states rights are “dangerous”... Those states may do something he doesn’t approve of...

Santorum has always been an advocate of big government, albeit a big government that supports socially conservative causes.

51 posted on 01/19/2016 2:12:06 PM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: DB

[ Yep, the constitution and states rights are “dangerous”...

Those states may do something he doesn’t approve of...

What an idiot. ]

Big government Republicans (and I don’t mean by sheer size but by control over you life from a federal level as well) are just as bad as Big Government Democrats.

Any Republican from the Liberal areas of the country should just be ignored.


52 posted on 01/19/2016 2:13:27 PM PST by GraceG (The election doesn't pick the next president, it is an audition for "American Emperor"...)
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To: gdani
People are all for states' rights when it is something they like. People are all against states' rights when it is something they hate.

Well, doggone it, just think of all the legislators who have to be wooed, bribed, or threatened to get your way in all 50 states (not to mention governors). It is so much easier to just buy the Congress...

53 posted on 01/19/2016 2:13:31 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: gusty
It was a measure to win a war, within the president’s constitutional powers.

But expressly ordered for the States which had declared themselves to be in secession. That jurisdiction was at issue.

54 posted on 01/19/2016 2:15:51 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands

Santorum’s buddy trump’s multiple marriages and lack of support for kim davis is dismissed by him.

So over Santorum. He’s acting like Huckabee last time he was running


55 posted on 01/19/2016 2:18:31 PM PST by RginTN
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To: gdani
People are all for states' rights when it is something they like. People are all against states' rights when it is something they hate.

That's the way it seems to work with a lot of things. People are a lot less vocal about smaller government when those in power are pushing their agendas. That's why when Leftists are out of power they advocate "anarchism," while becoming totalitarian Stalinists and Maoists when in power. You see some of the same things on the Right: when conservatives are out of power, they want libertarianism to limit the amount of damage a leftist government can do. They're a lot less libertarian once "their" people are in power (not too many Republicans complained about the Patriot Act while GW Bush was President).

56 posted on 01/19/2016 2:21:49 PM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands

It’s dangerous giving the States the ability to make their own policy. But, the alternative is the Fed govt, and we know how that works out.


57 posted on 01/19/2016 3:40:24 PM PST by lurk
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To: Harpotoo

“But he’s got nothing to say about gay marriage being legal now”

Cruz has stated that fighting gay marriage is not a priority with him. How does that position separate him from San Francisco?


58 posted on 01/19/2016 3:48:11 PM PST by odawg
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To: fwdude

“Unfortunately, Rick is right on this one. States don’t have the right to call squares circles.”

I’m with you - we’re not kids any favors by putting gay marriage (or the option for states to have gay marriage) over the right of children to be raised by a mom and a dad.

Kids have the right to a normal childhood, even in blue states.


59 posted on 01/19/2016 3:54:36 PM PST by BobL (Who cares? He's going to build a wall and stop this invasion.)
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To: BlackFemaleArmyCaptain

“The states nor federal government has a right to change God’s natural order of things.”

Nicely put. I’m all for the 10th Amendment, but not when it’s used to deprive kids of a normal childhood.


60 posted on 01/19/2016 3:57:44 PM PST by BobL (Who cares? He's going to build a wall and stop this invasion.)
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