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To: Oklahoma

“There is no such thing as Naturalized At Birth. You are either natural born or naturalized later in life.”

I’m getting really sick and tired of people like you coming on here to make these abysmally stupid and ignorant lies. Try reading the laws and stop denying them:

66 Stat. Public Law 414 - June 27, 1952

TITLE III - NATIONALITY AND NATURALIZATION

Chapter 1 - Nationality at Birth and by Collective Naturalization

NATIONALS AND CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES AT BIRTH

Sec. 301. (a) The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth; . . .
(7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at lest five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States by such citizen parent may be included in computing the physical presence requirements of this paragraph.

The equivalent present day statute is:

U.S. Code: Title 8 - ALIENS AND NATIONALITY. Chapter 12 - IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY. Subchapter III - NATIONALITY AND NATURALIZATION. Part I - Nationality at Birth and Collective Naturalization. § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth: The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth: ... (h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.

U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual Volume 7
Consular Affairs. 7 FAM 1151 INTRODUCTION... b. 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(23); INA 101(a)(23)) defines naturalization as the conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth by any means whatsoever. . . For the purposes of this subchapter naturalization includes:... (5) “Automatic” acquisition of U.S. citizenship after birth, a form of naturalization by certain children born abroad to U.S. citizen parents or children adopted abroad by U.S. citizen parents.

“Statutory US law defines citizenship not your personal opinions.”

It is yourself who is throwing around your ignorant and baseless opinions in denial of the documented laws we have presented in exhaustive detail. As a matter of Constitutional law the Constitution granted Congress the enumerated power to “establish an uniform Rule of naturalization” and nothing more. Congress has no power to grant citizenship to anyone other than an alien who needs to be naturalized into a citizen at birth and after birth. Ted Cruz acquired U.S. citizenship by the authority of the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952 cited above. It is a law for naturalization of aliens, including the naturalization of alien born children at birth who have an U.S. parent. “(5) “Automatic” acquisition of U.S. citizenship after birth, a form of naturalization by certain children born abroad to U.S. citizen parents . . . .”

If Ted Cruz had been born in 1916, he would not even have been granted U.S. citizenship at birth. To acquire U.S. citizenship, he would have had to go through the procedure waiting for the quota to permit him to apply for naturalization as the immigrant child of alien parents. A natural born citizen of the U.S. did not have that problem in 1916 or today.


45 posted on 01/17/2016 4:34:53 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

The law at the time of his birth applies, not 1916 or 1952. You Trump cultists selectively pick and choose old or non-applying statutes and then try to pass it off as current.

Go ahead and believe the courts are going to rule on this. They have run from this for years. Trump, Cruz and Rubio are all natural born citizens and their chances of being president depend on the voters not judges.


51 posted on 01/17/2016 4:48:26 AM PST by Oklahoma
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To: WhiskeyX
The problem that people have understanding this is that the words "naturalize" and "naturalization" have come to mean a specific act in common language, i.e., the voluntary proactive steps that people use to remedy their alien status. People need to understand that naturalization as a legal and Constitutional concept has a broader definition, that includes all forms of collective naturalization as well.

Collective naturalization includes citizenship that is granted by statute, as well as via treaty (uncommon at the present time).

Citizenship at birth, granted by statute, is naturalized citizenship.

54 posted on 01/17/2016 4:50:40 AM PST by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: WhiskeyX

The professor who teaches NATURALIZATION LAW at Georgetown disagrees with you. He says it’s a valid concern.


138 posted on 01/17/2016 12:34:08 PM PST by alyr
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