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To: Faith Presses On
“He’s not a natural born citizen,” BUT

He “was naturalized at birth.”

He is just “not a natural born citizen” because of his politics.

No.....

"Natural born" and "naturalized at birth" are not the same thing.

The term "naturalised" indicates a person receiving their citizenship per the uniform rules of naturalisation established by Congress per their constitutional power to do so. It describes a person who does not "naturally" (i.e. natural born) acquire citizenship via natural law (i.e. both parents are citizens, born on US soil via the common law principle of jus soli) but is instead declared by US law to have been extended the rights and privileges of our citizenship. Sometimes this happens to an adult who immigrates here. Sometimes it happens with a child born in circumstances such as Cruz's - but the end result is that BOTH have their citizenship via statute - even if the one has it from birth.

Like it or not, Ted Cruz is not "natural born" as common and natural law describe it. He was "naturalised," which means he is not qualified constitutionally.

62 posted on 01/12/2016 10:33:14 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (What good is a constitution if you don't have a country to go with it?)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

I understand but you can believe that would not be taken seriously if Cruz were a Democrat for one instant.

It would be cast as falling comfortably within what “natural born” really means and as conspiracy-theory and empty-headed hate mongering and the politics of personal attacks.

And at this point, I see no reason not to interpret his birth as “natural born.”

Look at how these definitions are being used on illegal immigration.

So someone born here illegally of illegal immigrant parents would qualify to be President, but Cruz somehow wouldn’t?


99 posted on 01/12/2016 10:47:02 AM PST by Faith Presses On ("After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations...")
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Seriously, I think what’s behind this article is not an commitment to law but hatred of evangelical Christians.

And that is what we have to start looking at.

I truly think being “naturalized at BIRTH” is splitting legal hairs.

The whole point of “natural born” is someone growing up with an allegiance to a certain country, an identification with it. How much further back can you go but “birth”?

My father was a German, and became an American citizen in his twenties, and from seeing him, I can see why the requirement is there for “natural born.” Naturalized citizens have split allegiances, and hold onto the ideas somewhat of their country of birth and childhood, which is also the country of their family.


123 posted on 01/12/2016 10:54:00 AM PST by Faith Presses On ("After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations...")
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