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In Iowa, Trump intensifies ‘birther’ attack against Cruz
ABC ^ | 1/9/16 | Staff

Posted on 01/09/2016 4:16:21 PM PST by VinL

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To: SmokingJoe

Uh, no.

Trump’s mother was naturalized on March 10, 1942, over four years before Trump was born.

She took an oath to renounce all other countries’ claims upon her.

His father, Fred Trump was born in America. So, Trump is born of two American citizens.

By your logic, since Canada is a dominion of Great Britain, then Cruz still has a claim of Britain on him.

Do you really believe that?


161 posted on 01/09/2016 5:45:24 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Cobra64
Crus (sic) is a great lawyer, but he’s not a fighter.

Did you just arrive from Uranus? Pull your head out!

162 posted on 01/09/2016 5:46:23 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: VinL

Let them sue—they will lose.

Don;t think for a minute that the Dems don’t intend to make hay about Cruz’s eligibility.

And they will have far more success in judge shopping then our side had with Obama.


163 posted on 01/09/2016 5:46:54 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: SmokingJoe

Except we aren’t talking about two married Americans working in a foreign embassy are we? We’re talking about a Canadian father and his child born on Canadian soil and granted Canadian citizenship at the time of his birth. There’s no way that’s a natural born American citizen. At least Obama was born in Hawaii. In your desperation, you are cementing a dangerous precedent.


164 posted on 01/09/2016 5:47:11 PM PST by RC one (race baiting and demagoguery-if you're a Democrat it's what you do.)
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To: RC one
Cruz had to renounce the Canadian citizenship he was born into by virtue of his father's citizenship and residency status. That makes him a naturalized citizen, not a natural born citizen.

You need to work on your reading comprehension. Neither Ted's father nor his mother could have been Canadian citizens at the time Ted was born. They had not lived in Canada long enough. That information has been posted dozens of times over the past couple of days, along with the relevant statutes. Ted was a Canadian citizen because he was born in Canada, and he was a US citizen because his mother was a US citizen. He was never naturalized.

165 posted on 01/09/2016 5:49:09 PM PST by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Mollypitcher1

Bothers you that you’re guy is running away from his fight with Cruz, eh? Please, please please disqualify him, I don’t want to get beat.... what a punk.


166 posted on 01/09/2016 5:49:52 PM PST by VinL (It is better to suffer every wrong, than to consent to wrong.)
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To: John Valentine

Stretching things as usual aren’t you Valentine? Why do you always have to distort the truth? Trump’s mother was naturalized an American Citizens years before Trump’s birth. there is NO question about Trump.


167 posted on 01/09/2016 5:51:24 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: exit82

Let them sue—they will lose.

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Exactly!!!Then WTF is baby Trump talking about!!!!!


168 posted on 01/09/2016 5:51:53 PM PST by VinL (It is better to suffer every wrong, than to consent to wrong.)
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To: John Valentine

Trump is very clearly a NBC. His father was a US citizen and he was born on US soil. The same can not be said of Ted Cruz whose citizenship status is just as, if not more questionable than Obama’s.


169 posted on 01/09/2016 5:52:11 PM PST by RC one (race baiting and demagoguery-if you're a Democrat it's what you do.)
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To: exit82
She took an oath to renounce all other countries' claims upon her.

Only a renunciation made to the British Home Secretary is recognized by Great Britain.

"All categories of British nationality can be renounced by a declaration made to the Home Secretary. A person ceases to be a British national on the date the Home Secretary registers the declaration of renunciation. If a declaration is registered in the expectation of acquiring another citizenship but one is not acquired within six months of the registration, it does not take effect and the person remains a British national."

"Renunciations made to other authorities (such as the general renunciation made as part of the US naturalization ceremony) are not recognized by the UK. The forms must be sent through the UK Border Agency's citizenship renunciation process."

170 posted on 01/09/2016 5:52:24 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Kickass Conservative

I believe you’re right. A lot of people fail to understand chess strategy. If there is a Trump/Cruz partnership, Trump is getting the issue out in the open to have it challengd and settled now. Everyone here can play lawyer, but unless they can influence factual results, it’s nothing more than personal opinion.


171 posted on 01/09/2016 5:53:53 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore)
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To: Mollypitcher1; John Valentine

hy do you always have to distort the truth? Trump’s mother was naturalized an American Citizens years before Trump’s birth. there is NO question about Trump.

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Ah, but there’ll be lawsuits for sure.. We better get this resolved now. Sissy Anita Trump better go to Court and get this put to rest.


172 posted on 01/09/2016 5:54:24 PM PST by VinL (It is better to suffer every wrong, than to consent to wrong.)
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To: RC one
If he was a natural born American citizen, how was he born into Canadian citizenship?

He was born with dual citizenship - Canadian because he was born in Calgary, American because his mother was a citizen. That is not uncommon when children of US citizens are born in countries with birthright citizenship.

173 posted on 01/09/2016 5:54:25 PM PST by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: patq

Yes.


174 posted on 01/09/2016 5:54:27 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore)
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To: JoSixChip
I guess you would be happy to have lost your 2nd Amendment gun rights which were threatened in the Supreme Court Case that Cruz fought and won, which established that individuals have gun rights.

Then there are the Religious Liberty cases he also won at the Supreme Court as well as the ones that protect our sovereignty. We would have amnesty now if not for Ted Cruz and that's according to Sessions, Lee, Limbaugh and Levin.

Of course, I wouldn't expect someone supporting a wrestling promoter to be honest or knowledgeable enough to know any of that.

175 posted on 01/09/2016 5:54:44 PM PST by conservativejoy (Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God ...We Can Elect Ted Cruz)
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To: John Valentine

Well then, Cruz has a claim of British nationality on him, as he did not renounce his Canadian citizenship to the British Home Secretary.

Besides, American law recognizes Trump’s mother as an American citizen and that is all that matters lee-gul-ly.


176 posted on 01/09/2016 5:54:48 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Mollypitcher1
There are too many informed, authoritative legal sources that think its settled law. Just a couple of them. Even the anti-Cruz mainstream media ABC news and Washington Post are not buying the snake oil Trump is selling.

Constitutional Scholars Explain Why Ted Cruz Is Eligible to Be President
ABC News ^ | 1/6/16 | RYAN STRUYK
Posted on 1/9/2016 8:19:44 PM by jimbo123

Donald Trump says questions about whether Ted Cruz is eligible to be President of the United States could become a “big problem” for the Canadian-born Republican candidate. But among legal scholars, there's a consensus: He's eligible to occupy the Oval Office.

freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3381791/posts

Why Ted Cruz is a “natural born citizen” [A legal, historical and constitutional argument]
Washington Post ^ | 01/08/2016 | By Randy Barnett
Posted on 1/8/2016 12:09:04 PM by SeekAndFind

Linking to this succinct but powerful essay by Paul Clement and my Georgetown colleague Neal Katyal, Jonathan usefully summarizes the legal argument for why Ted Cruz, who was born in Canada to an American mother, is a “natural born citizen” under Article II, section 1 of the Constitution, which provides:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution,shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. (emphasis added)

As he concludes in his post: “Under U.S. law, the fact that Cruz was born to a U.S. citizen mother makes him a citizen from birth. In other words, he is a ‘natural born citizen’ (as opposed to a naturalized citizen) and is constitutionally eligible.” To the evidence elicited by Clement and Katyal, I wish only to add that this conclusion is also theoretically justified by a proper conception of popular sovereignty.

freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3381276/posts

177 posted on 01/09/2016 5:55:26 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: patq
Actually Iowa is now tied.

Wrong. The most recent Iowa poll still shows Ted with a 4% lead over Trump.

178 posted on 01/09/2016 5:56:22 PM PST by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: CA Conservative

The fact is, Iowa is a beauty pageant for conceited corn farmers who feel it is their God-given birthright to somehow ‘brand’ the candidate of their choosing as the inevitable nominee and presumably, President.

New Hampshire in some ways suffers from the same egotistical mindset. The bottom line is “which state carries the most electoral votes?” So in that sense you are correct regarding the SEC primaries (and South Carolina).


179 posted on 01/09/2016 5:56:30 PM PST by mkjessup (JimRob: "It's Trump or Cruz, all the others are amnesty pimps" And the man is RIGHT!)
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To: RC one
Trump is very clearly a NBC.

As I have insisted repeatedly.

The same can not be said of Ted Cruz...

Of course it can, because it is the truth. ted Cruz was a US citizen by birth, just as was Donald Trump. Birth within the territorial confines of the United States is NOT a prerequisite for NBC status.

Both men have NBC status, but only one of them still maintains a dual nationality and it isn't Ted Cruz.

180 posted on 01/09/2016 5:56:34 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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