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Our First And Third Congress Defined Natural Born Citizen
Nationality Act of 1790-1795 ^ | January 8th, 2016 | Uncle Sham

Posted on 01/08/2016 6:52:06 PM PST by Uncle Sham

For a five year period of time, the term “Natural Born Citizen” had a definition which differed from the “two-citizen parents, born under United States jurisdiction” description generally accepted for most of this nation’s existence. The Nationality Act of 1790 referred to those born to citizens beyond Sea or out of the limits of the United States as being “natural born citizens”. Because of the term “citizens” as it pertains to parentage, there is an argument to be made that this requires two citizen parents for this to be allowed. Below is a quote from the 1790 Act. Since this act would have been enforced on a case by case basis, the term “children” could just as easily be “child”.

United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” (March 26, 1790).

”And the children of CITIZENS of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States: Provided also, that no person heretofore proscribed by any States, shall be admitted a citizen as aforesaid, except by an Act of the Legislature of the State in which such person was proscribed.”

This Act was repealed in 1795 and the term “natural born citizens” was changed to read “citizens”. What this did was tell us that a location of birth WAS PART of being a “natural born citizen”, and in fact, the location was someplace OTHER THAN “out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States”. This also told us exactly what someone was who was born to citizens of the United States outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, a ”citizen” Once again, even in this case, there appears to be a need for two citizen parents.

United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform rule of Naturalization; and to repeal the act heretofore passed on that subject” (January 29, 1795).

”SEC. 3. And be it further enacted, that the children of persons duly naturalized, dwelling within the United States, and being under the age of twenty-one years, at the time of such naturalization, and the children of CITIZENS of the United States, born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident of the United States: Provided also, That no person heretofore proscribed by any state, or who has been legally convicted of having joined the army of Great Britain during the late war, shall be admitted a citizen as foresaid, without the consent of the legislature of the state, in which such person was proscribed.”

The combination of these two Acts, passed when they were, in the order that they were passed, by many who helped form this nation, gives us a clear understanding of what they thought constituted a “natural born citizen”. The term did not disappear from the Constitution, nor has it ever been defined since this time so the category of “natural born citizen” still exists. Since it does still exist, it IS’NT someone born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States. That leaves only one location that is acceptable and it has to be within the limits and jurisdiction of the United States. It also seems that there is a requirement for two citizen parents.

Kenya, Canada. Neither one of them meet the standard.


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KEYWORDS: cruz; eligibility; naturalborn; naturalborncitizen
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It is what it is.
1 posted on 01/08/2016 6:52:06 PM PST by Uncle Sham
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To: Uncle Sham

No problem. Ted’s mother can become his ‘father’!

Should delight all the liberals!


2 posted on 01/08/2016 6:56:28 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: Uncle Sham
It is what it is.

....until it was repealed in 1795.

What you don't get is that a child born to two citizen parents on the soil is unquestionable.

Any other scenario is.

What do you think the founders had in mind, seriously?

3 posted on 01/08/2016 6:57:00 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of Socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Uncle Sham

It is a national disgrace that the Republican Party and the American people did not demand a Supreme Court ruling on the eligibility of Barack Hussein Obama.

The same is required for Ted Cruz.

And let the Constitution reign supreme.

P.S. There is an important role for patriot conservative Ted Cruz whichever way the Supremes decide.


4 posted on 01/08/2016 6:57:22 PM PST by JT Hatter (Who is Barack Obama? And What is He Really Up To?)
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To: Uncle Sham

What does Orly say?


5 posted on 01/08/2016 6:57:58 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (TED CRUZ 2016)
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To: Uncle Sham

The first congress clearly defined children born outside the United States to be natural born citizens. The fact that a later congress changed the wording of this law cannot take that away. The fact that the first congress, which was made up of many of the founders, passed a law which said that the children of U.S. citizens born outside the United States are natural born citizens actually is strongly supportive of the fact that Ted Cruz is a natural born citizen.


6 posted on 01/08/2016 6:58:55 PM PST by dschapin
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To: TexasGator

Would still need to be born with the United States.


7 posted on 01/08/2016 6:59:16 PM PST by PJBankard (It is better to be thought an idiot than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Posts like that make me lose respect for you and this site.

Alinsky is your offense now?


8 posted on 01/08/2016 6:59:25 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of Socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Uncle Sham
Our First And Third Congress Defined Natural Born Citizen

Please stop spouting nonsense like this. God defined "natural citizen". Congress defines who will be "like" a "natural citizen."

In the same manner God gives people children, but families are free to adopt others who were not born to them.

9 posted on 01/08/2016 6:59:42 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: dschapin

The law that stipulates that was repealed meaning it isn’t law anymore. The law that replaced that removed that from the context for a reason.


10 posted on 01/08/2016 7:00:43 PM PST by PJBankard (It is better to be thought an idiot than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

“God defined “natural citizen”. “

He did?


11 posted on 01/08/2016 7:01:18 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Oh please, its you Trump supporters that are pulling this birther nonsense. Trump supporters insult and attack all the time and then have the thinnest skin in the world. Honestly I thought this was a conservative site not a fascist one.


12 posted on 01/08/2016 7:01:21 PM PST by dschapin
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To: dschapin

I thought we followed the laws as written. Apparently we are no better than DU.


13 posted on 01/08/2016 7:02:45 PM PST by PJBankard (It is better to be thought an idiot than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.)
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To: dschapin
The first congress clearly defined children born outside the United States to be natural born citizens.

It clearly did not. If it did, the first Congress would have said "Shall Be Natural born citizens", not "Shall be considered as natural born citizens. "

14 posted on 01/08/2016 7:02:55 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Las Vegas Ron

It is the 1795 repeal, along with the original, that gives us the definition. Two citizen parents and born under the jurisdiction of the United States. What are you arguing about?


15 posted on 01/08/2016 7:03:40 PM PST by Uncle Sham
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To: PJBankard

A law can’t change the constitution or what the original constitutional meaning of the term Natural Born Citizen is. Note that the new law did not include any definition for a natural born citizen - the term has simply been abandoned. So, the only time it has been defined in U.S. law Ted Cruz clearly would have qualified since his mother was U.S. citizen and his father had been a legal U.S. resident.


16 posted on 01/08/2016 7:05:07 PM PST by dschapin
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To: Uncle Sham

We need him for our VP. TRUMP/CRUZ 2016!


17 posted on 01/08/2016 7:05:45 PM PST by patriot08 (4th geneneration Texan (girl type))
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To: CodeToad
He did?

Partus Sequitur Patrem, dude.

18 posted on 01/08/2016 7:06:34 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Uncle Sham
The phrase "shall be considered as" has legal significance, and does not have same meaning as the word "are." Rather than provide a definition, the statute points to a conclusion that children born abroad are not NBC, but will be considered as such. That legal effect was repealed, and never put to use.
19 posted on 01/08/2016 7:07:47 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: dschapin

Ted Cruz’s father wasn’t a legal US resident at the time of Ted’s birth and the Naturalization Act of 1795 which is still law stipulates two citizen parents, not a legal resident.

Please provide the exact words in the Constitution that defines nature born citizen.


20 posted on 01/08/2016 7:08:22 PM PST by PJBankard (It is better to be thought an idiot than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.)
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