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Donald Trump Still Leads the GOP Field. Leads with Evangelicals and women
NBC NEWS ^ | Jan. 5 2016 | JOHN LAPINSKI, HANNAH HARTIG and STEPHANIE PSYLLOS

Posted on 01/05/2016 7:30:56 AM PST by Zenjitsuman

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To: Yashcheritsiy

Singing to the choir brother - far too many “evangelicals” aren’t what they purport to be while insisting that others follow in their “holy tracks”...


41 posted on 01/05/2016 8:25:08 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
You mean Mexicans???

You're aware that persecute Bible-believing Christians in a lot of places in Mexico, right?

42 posted on 01/05/2016 8:25:36 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (What good is a constitution if you don't have a country to go with it?)
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To: Theodore R.

Curious isn’t it?


43 posted on 01/05/2016 8:26:08 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: tennmountainman
The evangelicals in Iowa vote the way they are told to vote. Not many independent thinkers among them. They vote in bloc for whomever they are told to vote for.

I read a lot of silliness on this board. Congratulations on the dumbest post of the day.

But it's early....

44 posted on 01/05/2016 8:27:18 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: montag813
"This is surprising. Cruz is Bible-thumping in nearly every appearance. On Hannity last night Cruz quoted scripture — TWICE — to make his points. I guess the cornholes in Iowa aren’t as gullible as I thought. They sure fell for The Huckster’s Elmer Gantry act in 2008."

You progressives recoil at the prospect of a Christian candidate, don't you? No doubt you agree with the recent description here of Cruz as the "Christian Taliban."

As Cruz said last night on Fox, a few weeks ago they were all attacking Trump, and now they're all over him, which indicates something has changed.

I love it.

45 posted on 01/05/2016 8:27:48 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (("A real conservative will bear the scars...will have been in the trenches fighting."--- Ted Cruz))
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To: Zenjitsuman

I don’t dispute what you say, but I will make the observation that it doesn’t seem to be generating much excitement in the South. Perhaps I’m not seeing it, but the only people I hear discussed are Trump, Hillary, Sanders, and somewhat surprisingly - Paul. Jindal on the rare occasions when he was mentioned only got eyerolls. Now he isn’t discussed at all. None of the pygmy horde is discussed at all. Not even Yeb.

Perhaps it is the circles I run in.


46 posted on 01/05/2016 8:29:08 AM PST by Psalm 144 (The mill grinds exceedingly fine.)
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To: Zenjitsuman
Cruz is much easier to make this issue than Trump.
Abortion, abortion, abortion...With little more than lip service for decades it's politically beginning to wear a little thin.
47 posted on 01/05/2016 8:31:29 AM PST by lewislynn ( You know you're a Muslim if everything offends you.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I mean Muslims. But illegals in general are lawless, dishonest people.


48 posted on 01/05/2016 8:49:36 AM PST by Nea Wood
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To: Jim Noble

Early in the primary season I see Cruz specifically targeting these two groups because they are large blocks of guaranteed primary voters. Cruz also successfully went after the Rand Paul libertarians, another block, just not as much as a sure thing as the evangelical and very conservative blocks.

Moving into the general, all of these groups automatically vote for Cruz over Clinton as well as the traditional Republican voters. Then it is a difference in strategies between Trump and Cruz.

Trump attempts to steal Democrats which, as a liberal on many issues, he will do as well as picking up disaffected Dems while having many on the right sitting out because Trump causes a deep hatred among many of his detractors. Cruz’ strategy will be more traditional and will seek to have a more energized base than the Democrats. Cruz voters show up and Hillary voters do not.

Both paths lead to a Republican victory. The far left will not turn out for Hillary. They despise her. Black and Hispanic men, as another poster pointed out to me a few days ago, will not vote for a woman. Another assertion I buy into.

Cruz needs the traditional battleground states to win against Hillary. Hillary needs the traditional battleground states to win against Trump.


49 posted on 01/05/2016 8:50:00 AM PST by FerociousRabbit
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To: trebb
Evangelicals aren't supporting Trump because of his "strong religious beliefs" but because he is a decent man who isn't atheist and actually has a moral/ethical code.

I saw an article recently saying that at this point, Christians will settle for a President who does not HATE them. Trump at least tries to woo Christians. He speaks out against the persecution of Christians. We've had seven years of a President who never speaks positively of Christianity, but speaks positively of Islam. I don't think Christians have to have a President who preaches the gospel in every speech, but we'd like one who at least is on our side, doesn't downright insult us, and wants our votes. That's why it doesn't bother us that Trump has been married three times, etc.

50 posted on 01/05/2016 8:55:10 AM PST by Nea Wood
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To: AuntB
Thanks for posting this.

Now I have some reasons to help explain my gut feeling.

Doesn't answer my Cruz Question, but it points to some possibilities.

51 posted on 01/05/2016 8:56:28 AM PST by GBA (Here in the matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: CatherineofAragon
You progressives recoil at the prospect of a Christian candidate, don't you? No doubt you agree with the recent description here of Cruz as the "Christian Taliban."

ROTFLMAO! Now I've seen it all. Go ahead and review my entire post history over the past 14 years and then call me a Progressive, Newbie.

Of course I would never agree with such a detestable term. I respect Cruz immensely. But I have also worked on 6 GOP campaigns as a data guy. I can read internals, and know Cruz cannot beat Hillary. So I am backing Trump.

52 posted on 01/05/2016 9:10:37 AM PST by montag813
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To: AuntB

Goldman Sachs. (The same post Mrs Heidi Cruz holds)>>>>
she did resign i beleive but this is bad news to me. these are the people (including Corzine) that caused the meltdown to take over lehman and stearns.


53 posted on 01/05/2016 9:12:26 AM PST by kvanbrunt2 (civil law: commanding what is right and prohibiting what is wrong Blackstone Commentaries I p44)
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To: montag813
"and know Cruz cannot beat Hillary. So I am backing Trump."

LOL

54 posted on 01/05/2016 9:25:37 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (("A real conservative will bear the scars...will have been in the trenches fighting."--- Ted Cruz))
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To: Jim Noble
Well, unlike Hillary or Lieawatha, who would be the first woman President, Trump will not be the first man - just the first one in a while.

Thanks for the best laugh of the day in rainy Wino Country.

55 posted on 01/05/2016 11:04:09 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Trump is kicking the ass of the GOPe/RINOs/the media. Don't like him? He must be kicking YOUR ass!!!)
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To: lewislynn

Thanks for the info re the 7 Dayers. That background made Carson a no go for me.


56 posted on 01/05/2016 11:09:23 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Trump is kicking the ass of the GOPe/RINOs/the media. Don't like him? He must be kicking YOUR ass!!!)
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To: CatherineofAragon; montag813
You progressives recoil at the prospect of a Christian candidate, don't you?

Well, all the candidates are Christians (except Bernie Sanders), and montag and I are hardly what you would call progressives.

The problem is that the practice of ostentatiously quoting scripture and otherwise dog-whistling "true Christians" is poison at the ballot box.

I would ask you (and others) who will not vote for anyone who does not meet your somewhat idiosyncratic definition of being a Christian to point to one single statewide or national election where this has brought success. You are numerous enough to beat any Republican not to your liking in a close race, but you are nowhere near numerous enough to elect a dog catcher, much less a President.

And if your position is that voting for a "true Christian", win or lose, is a duty you owe the Lord, OK, I get that. But at least be honest and say, "Even though Ted Cruz is unelectable, I'm voting for him because the Lord commands it" so we know where you are coming from.

57 posted on 01/05/2016 11:31:49 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown Are by desperate appliance relieved Or not at al)
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To: Jim Noble
"And if your position is that voting for a "true Christian", win or lose, is a duty you owe the Lord, OK, I get that. But at least be honest and say, "Even though Ted Cruz is unelectable, I'm voting for him because the Lord commands it" so we know where you are coming from."

That's a really good effort at complete fabrication there, since I've never said anything remotely similar. I give you points for originality.

Honestly, I wouldn't expect any better from you. Your contempt for evangelical Christianity was evident with your recent "Jesusland" remark.

58 posted on 01/05/2016 12:04:13 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (("A real conservative will bear the scars...will have been in the trenches fighting."--- Ted Cruz))
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To: don-o

Go do yourself Dumb-0


59 posted on 01/05/2016 12:30:07 PM PST by tennmountainman ("Prophet Mountainman" Predicter Of All Things RINO...for a small pittance)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
You mean Mexicans???

You're aware that persecute Bible-believing Christians in a lot of places in Mexico, right?

You're aware that those Middle Eastern chrstians American conservatives support so fervently aren't "Bible-believing chrstians" either, right?

60 posted on 01/05/2016 1:37:00 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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