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For refugees, overcoming radical Islam may be the hardest journey (children brutalized)
NY Post ^ | January 2, 2016 | Maureen Callahan

Posted on 01/03/2016 9:25:37 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o

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To: Black Agnes
Pauk was competing with a religion that periodically had its armed agents hunt you down and kill you if you didn't worship Diocletian, Hadrian, Caligula, or Nero/ There were bloody persecutions against Christians for 300 years. Gladiator sports. Lions. Or just being used as a human torch.

2 Corinthians 11:23-27

Are they ministers of Christ?
(I am talking like a madman) ---I am a better one:
with far greater labors,
far more imprisonments,
with countless floggings,
and often near death.
Five times I have received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one.
Three times I was beaten with rods.
Once I received a stoning.
Three times I was shipwrecked;
for a night and a day I was adrift at sea;
on frequent journeys, in danger from rivers,
danger from bandits,
danger from my own people,
danger from Gentiles, danger in the city,
danger in the wilderness,
danger at sea,
danger from false brothers and sisters;
in toil and hardship,
through many a sleepless night,
hungry and thirsty, often without food,
cold and naked.

And Paul did end up being beheaded in Rome, where St. Peter was crucified head-down.

It can't be argued it was easier "back then."

61 posted on 01/03/2016 6:37:37 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (When in Rome, do like you done in Milledgeville. - Flannery O'Connor)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Christianity was persecuted because it wasn’t multiculti tolerant. That whole ‘one God’ thing.

And the Romans were afraid it was a political movement aiming at their hegemony.

Quite different than Islam. Totally in fact.

Many religions survived Rome intact. None survive Sharia.


62 posted on 01/03/2016 6:43:40 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Mrs. Don-o

http://www.politicalislam.com/the-annihilation-of-civilizations/

http://markhumphrys.com/turkey.html

The first one is the most interesting.

The percent changes over the centuries cast doubt on the ‘they just weren’t evangelized enough’ argument.

Sharia is the eventual death of all but islam. Every time.


63 posted on 01/03/2016 6:58:32 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I don’t believe he had a religious conversion. He may have traded one brand of Islam for another, but I doubt he turned his life over to God.


64 posted on 01/03/2016 7:26:02 PM PST by BykrBayb (Lung cancer free since 11/9/07. Colon cancer free since 7/7/15. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

That’s why we must pray, and continue to pray, for him and for others like him. But —— do we believe in God?


65 posted on 01/04/2016 7:05:04 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Pray for the *%$#s. It's the only way to help them, or you, become a bit worthier as a human being.)
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To: Black Agnes
Classic Islam is inherently hostile to the continued existence of any religion except Islam. And 1400 years of Islamic jurisprudence, based on the "unalterable" Koran and Hadith, absolutely and unanimously concur that the choices for non-Muslims must be: conversion, exile, dhimmitude, or death.

Dhimmitude is, essentially, nonstop extortion, a protection racket: pay what is, in effect, an ongoing ransom for the lives of yourself and your family, and they will allow you to survive. The dhimmis are essentially cash-cows for the Islamic regimes under which they live.

OTOH, the dhimmi system did make possible the physical and cultural survival of sizeable Christian populations in majority-Muslim nations for centuries: history notes big, millennia-old Christian communities in Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, and the formerly Ottoman Balkans. for instance.

That is, until just recently.

By "just recently" I mean, the Christian population of the Middle East in the early 20th century was about 20%. Today it is about 5% and dropping rapidly. The 20th - 21st century wars have been catastrophic for what had for centuries been large, established Christian minorities living in the midst of Muslim nations, such as the Copts, the Chaldeans, the Melkites, the Maronites, the Assyrians, etc.

Many of them, or their 1st-2nd generation descendants, are now struggling to maintain their religious identities as exiles in Germany, Britain and the USA.

66 posted on 01/04/2016 7:41:32 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Hate evil, you who love the Lord." - (Psalm 97:10))
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Are you asking if we believe in God’s ability to change lives, hearts and minds? Of course we do. I’ve seen it happen. I’ve noticed it usually doesn’t. People tend to be who they are, and rarely make a complete 180.

I don’t find any indication that Gulwali Passarlay has abandoned his worship of allah, and I doubt that he will. I think he probably still embraces most of what he learned growing up. His traumatic experience must certainly have had an effect on some of his views, but unless and until he gives up his worship of allah, and embraces God, he will remain, fundamentally, who he has always been. I think he has adapted to his environment. Nothing more.


67 posted on 01/04/2016 8:35:19 AM PST by BykrBayb (Lung cancer free since 11/9/07. Colon cancer free since 7/7/15. ~ Þ)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Do look at the chart for the Christian population of turkey from about 1300 on.

The non islamic portions of islamic countries are how they ‘earn’ their tax base. And their janissaries.

That the Christian portion of a Sharia enforcing society would eventually approach zero is guaranteed. The only question is ‘how long until’.

And most of that asymptotic approach to zero over the past 100 years has been either slaughter or conversion to Islam.

Most muslims throughout the levant, mahgreb and anatolia have Christian ancestors. Some quite recent in fact.

Which doesn’t mean we need to import even a single muslim. For any reason.

If you feel sorry for their condition, PLEASE, spend YOUR money, buy YOUR airline tickets and risk YOUR life to do so. Bringing them HERE risks EVERYONE’s lives for YOUR feelgood. NO ONE has the right to do so. REGARDLESS of their belief system. You have NO right to risk the safety of my children, grandchildren and so forth to bring in a SINGLE unconverted muslim. No matter how threadbare their clothes or starved they may be. Or even converted ones. The ‘converts’ are the ones who taqiyya themselves into churches in turkey, for example, and then turn murderous on their fellow parishioners.

Evangelize them THERE. ‘Go unto the world...’


68 posted on 01/04/2016 8:47:03 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Mrs. Don-o

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

The genocide began long before WWI.

It began as soon as Sharia was implemented.


69 posted on 01/04/2016 9:41:50 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
You are correct: the implementation of Shari'a in the Ottoman Empire (before WWI) led immediately led to the implementation of the Armenian genocide.

The preceding form of governance --- the Ottoman millet system --- oppressed the Christian Armenians (and Jews and other non-Muslims) in a terrible manner for 400+ years, but they were able to survive and even grow in numbers under the usual protection racket, as dhimmis. The actual, formal, systematic genocide didn't ensue until the more "modern" nationalists took over (late 19h century, Young Turks etc.).

The dhimmi-millet and the sharia-genocide are both hell-bent, damnable Islamic systems. The difference is, under dhimmitude the despised, victimized Armenians could survive for 400 years; in contrast, a couple eruptions of genocide-massacres, and the Armenians were absolutely wiped out. First "hecatomb", first "holocaust" of the 20th century.

70 posted on 01/04/2016 4:49:00 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Mater et Magistra.)
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To: cloudmountain

Jahiliyyah means “unenlightened,” and describes the world before Allah gave the Qur’an to Mohammed. Any part of the world that has not submitted to Sharia law, never mind Islam, is also Jahiliyyah.

Dawah is the invitation to submit to Islam and become a Moslem. Or pay the jizra tax. Or be beheaded.

I really recommend reading Catastrophic Failure by Stephen Coughlin. It is the best resource out there.


71 posted on 01/06/2016 11:52:49 AM PST by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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To: Excellence
Thank for the information bout Catastrophic Failure.

If it's such a failure I wonder why so many nations and politicos are so concerned about all the petroleum and natural gas over there. I'm told that this country has enough for our needs so why anyone is still dealing with them must be a mystery.

72 posted on 01/07/2016 4:39:11 PM PST by cloudmountain
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It’s a mystery to me, too.

But the “failure” is the governments refusal to name the threat, replacing it with this “countering violent extremism” meme. It’s an astonishing book.


73 posted on 01/07/2016 5:28:22 PM PST by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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