Posted on 01/03/2016 9:25:37 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o
Since I am in no way PROMOTING Islam your statement is fatuous.
No and no.
“Oh, and dote on children. . .like this (below links)” (links about kids in suicide vests and being indoctrinated into suicide jihad)
It is true that in the modern day, some muslims are doing this, and it is firmly rooted in islamic doctrine and authoritative legal interpretations of islamic law. I would argue that some of this propaganda and indoctrination has also been influenced by the modern revolutionary left, which has trained many islamist groups over the last couple of generations (Nazis trained the Muslim Brotherhood, Soviets trained the PLO, etc.).
Before the leftist infiltration, before even the islamic conquest, there were cultures in the Middle East, many of whose customs still exist (just like we still have the pre-Christian christmas tree in our celebrations).
The bit about Arabs doting on their children is my own personal observation. I have lived a couple of years over there, and consciously searched for redeeming characteristics, to help overcome my own negative pre-conceptions. Sweet, loving treatment of children that I observed, was what was most endearing and helpful to me in that respect.
Pashtun fathers, on the other hand, tend to be harsher than average with their kids. I have seen them set their sons to fight with their cousins over some chocolates, just for entertainment. It struck me like cock-fighting or dog fighting, and the boys got bloodied up. Pashtun mothers struck me as nuturing and loving though.
Within islam there is also the horrible acceptance of using young boys as homosexual sex slaves (the boy in the story from this thread feared being raped during his travels). Although I think that this is a minority practice which varies from one sub-culture to another, it is a larger minority than it would have been without islam. Check out Bacha Bazi online, if you have a strong stomach, and want to see how degenerate islam can be.
My point is that every culture has some redeeming characteristics, because human nature inherently does. I pray for them. The great majority were born into it through no fault of their own. You will find good people if you mingle among them for a while, but the islamic influence is like an evil virus or cancer on a society, co-opting the good aspects of religion to the service of dictarship, conquest and sensualism.
As if we (FReepers) didn’t know that already.
Agree, mostly.
“Sweet, loving treatment of children that I observed, was what was most endearing and helpful to me in that respect.”
That I have seen, but also I have seen where they encourage their children to steal from non-believers, especially in Saudi.
Interestingly, the most honest muslims I ever ran into (and dealt with) were the Bedouin.
Actually, Agnes, part of the problem is that Eastern Christianity (the main victims of the great jihads) didn't do much in the way of 'spiritual warfare' (if by that you mean evangelization --- preaching the Gospel to the Muslims) --- If I am mistaken, maybe some of the Orthodox brethren who know the history can chime in here ---
And Western Christianity -- with the truly exceptional exception of St. Francis of Assisi in 1219 --- did almost no evangelization to the Muslims at all, unless you count the Spanish Inquisitions --- um--- program amongst the Moriscos in 16th century Spain.
There was no 500-year effort to evangelize Muslims. Where did you get that idea?
Most FReepers do know that, but some of the comments on this thread prove that some FReepers don’t.
Carry on!
So what’s the point in wailing and gnashing of teeth over this kid?
It’s a horrible situation.
Bringing them here won’t fix the pashtuns one whit.
However it should be required reading for the ‘all cultures are equal’ nutjobs.
And an example of what will happen WHEN (not if) they overrun you should you be stupid enough to import them in any real numbers.
Until and If such a time when the pashtuns decide to stop being pashtun this kid will be one of millions.
But should this kid indeed return to Afghanistan and start with the modernistic mindset to ‘improve’ them, he will surely be killed.
I also add that he didn’t think the women w/o headcoverings were innocent for not wearing the headcoverings. Merely that, as sex slaves, they undoubtedly weren’t given a choice in the matter. He still sounds fairly Muslim to me. And this ‘heart rending story’ is a nice little bit of taqiyya.
I isn’t that his family didn’t support suicide bombing innocents. Merely that they didn’t want THEIR children being the bombers.
Nice people. What a nice culture.
And I will note, with finality, he indicates that not feeling welcome will drive the new ‘refugees’ to violence.
Indeedy, why should we bring in a single one? Obviously we are expected to kiss their asses. Or else!
Their feeling welcome usually involves OUR women entering purdah, OUR food supply catering to their needs and OUR days disrupted with howling 5 times a day. And OUR freedom of speech abridged should it cause some imagined offense. Islam uber alles. And if one of them does spontaneously ignite? Well then, it wasn’t islam whut-done it, it was OUR fault for not welcoming them enough!
BTW, the chattanooga killer was a kiddo refugee. So were the tsarnaev brothers. And at least one of the Paris killers as well. Maybe someone criticized mad mo in their presence or something. I’m sure the west offended their holy refugee behinds in some way and we all deserve what we get.
I might point out that as a pashtun male there is a 100% chance he was the recipient of male/male molestation prior to his leaving afghanistan. It’s one reason their culture is the way it is. And until that’s stopped, entirely, there will be no fixing it.
I know that you get annoyed with FReepers who point out that Islam is bad, but do you ever get annoyed with FReepers who jump on a thread, without reading the article, just to sing the praises of Islam? Or do you only get annoyed with those of us who point out how wrong they are?
Well, given the advance of Islam, even in Eastern europe, obviously the evangelization worked! /s
The ONLY thing that has EVER stopped Islam is military warfare.
Until THAT was attempted, Islam overran everything in front of it.
And how do you evangelize someone who belongs to a religion that allows them to lie? You will never know if they are a real convert, or just waiting to suicide bomb your church on Easter. Or the business district of your town. Or the bus taking your husband to work.
It’s that level of violence and basic distrust of everytone under ANY circumstance that destroys societies.
These aren’t animists you’re converting.
No other religion has what’s basically the anti-ten commandments. Lie? Sure, no problem. Kill? Absolutely. Rape? But of course! Steal? mandatory from the infidel!, etc.
And the MAIN reason you can’t evangelize the muslims?
It’s difficult to do so when you’re DEAD.
Which is what happens to evangelists in muslim countries.
Evangelist moves to Saudi, converts a handful of Saudis. Gets discovered, killed. Converts discovered, killed. Meanwhile a zillion more just got born.
Evangelism is a death penalty offense under Sharia. Because all cultures are equal and stuff.
It’s like convincing cannibals not to eat humans. Because you say so. LOL.
You might sway or or 10. 1+Billion? LOL.
And as long as there’s one practicing...metastizing remains a possibility.
What I get annoyed with is FReepers who just jump in to announce, usually without any sign of having read the article, "Islam is bad" --- and that's it, as if they had imparted some revelation.
What I'm looking for, as a poster, is some reflection on the posted article.
In this case, the author, Passarlay, writes of the horrible atrocities committed in Pashtun culture, by his own family even, and the hideous danger from the Taliban and the smugglers too (talk about a world without hope..!)
But most tantalizingly, in the words of the article, "He also, quite uncomfortably, talks about his religious and philosophical journey from East to West."
It hints at a "religious journey," but the article doesn't talk about his becoming Christian or some such transformation. Of course his book might have gotten more into that, but this article doesn't expand on it.
So I'm interested in what people think about that: a religious or philosophical transformation that could save the soul of a man spiritually brutalized from earliest childhood --- like Passarlay.
What?
My point was, there wasn't any evangelization.
You mentioned honesty, and that has been a downside with me, in terms of Arabs. Relative to the average, they seem to lie more (maybe it is to infidels).
I have known a few people who had really bad experiences with Saudis while living there, and came away hating them. They are famously dislikable. I found one that I liked, and a few that I found to be repugnant people. Most of the folks that I dealt with were non-Saudi employees.
I guess that like a lot of places, the country folk (like the bedouin) are more honest than the city folk, or the rich.
It wouldn’t have worked.
Evangelism only works when you live long enough to evangelize.
And any converts aren’t immediately killed for heresy.
Most early Muslims had BEEN Christians.
It’s a mistake to think they’re Muslim only because they haven’t been ‘evangelized’ properly. Arrogant and foolhardy too.
The history of the Moriscos in Spain would be interesting here. A subject of which I know almost nothing!
I guarantee you there’s more taqiyya in 1B muslims than the Catholic church has priests to sacrifice evangelizing them.
http://asbarez.com/56388/christian-priest-stabbed-in-turkey/
lather, rinse, repeat.
His new Christian name is "Mario Joseph." He's speaking, making videos, getting intereviewed on radio and TV, ---yes, dodging assasination attempts ---and baptizing converts.
Like Paul. Of Tarsus.
Paul wasn’t competing with a religion that demanded its adherents kill EVERYONE who wasn’t of that religion.
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