Posted on 01/03/2016 9:25:37 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o
I've been a Catholic since birth.
I started going to DAILY Mass in Ras Tanura, Saudi Arabia, some 40 years ago. We were there for five years, starting in the early 1980's.
I don't "promote" anything except perhaps discussion. You obviously have your own issues with my discussion. That's okay, BykrBayb..."biker babe"? Just a guess. Beats tricycle babe...TykrTayb.
Sorry that YOU can't help yourself either...continuing your diatribe discussion with me. This won't stop you either as you are COMPELLED to answer me back.
SO ODD that you have to cc to JimR. Kind of sad, really, that you feel that you must do that.
Happy new year!
BS, a lot of these so-called “refugees” are Radical Islamists.
I pinged Jim because I think he would want to know. This is his forum, and he has repeatedly stated he doesn’t want it used to promote Islam. I’m pretty sure it matters more to him than it does to me. So why wouldn’t I tell him? If you don’t want him to know you’re promoting Islam, maybe you shouldn’t use his website for that purpose.
Troll Alert?
Multiculturalism runs deep within your situational ethical code amoral values.
“1. Temendous family orientation”
Like keeping captive females and ensuring they can’t read, drive, have a bank account, not able to travel without the approval and escort of a male relative. Such a family value.
“2. Care of all their children and elderly”
Teaching their children it is acceptable to steal from non-believers and to blow themselves up to kill non-believers. And embrace elderly dictators that forcefully and without mercy impose strict islamic law in their family.
“3. Acknowledgement and appreciation of their past culture, whether YOU think it’s worth it or not “
Honor and respect a death cult? All civilized people do not accept the death culture as an acceptable way of life or something to be celebrated as a positive “family value.” They know their death culture is weak and foul, that is why they react so violently when it is “insulted.” Chopping off heads? Terrific. Chopping off hands? Terrific. Crucifying Christians. Another terrific idea. Throwing homosexual off the top of tall buildings. Great idea. Mass slaughter of innocent children that refuse to convert? Great idea. Mass slaughter of adult Christians because they refuse to convert? Just swell.
“4. Familial and tribal ties that extend beyond their country, that is, they take those ties with them if they leave “
And promptly try and destroy their new country, to force them to bend to their death culture. This is a good thing? To make the entire world a hell-hole like where they came from? That is a good thing? To insist their death culture takes precedence over their new country. . .to impose their standards on others, not just asking to be free to engage in their cruel and nasty practices, they want to stop everyone else from practicing their American cultural practices. They want to force you to stop eating bacon or bringing a ham sandwich to work. Of course, honor killings and child marriages are completely acceptable to them. And that is a good thing? They demand that they be allowed to run their own justice system (Sharia Courts) instead of answering to the Constitution and respecting rights granted by the Creator. And that is something to be respected by civilized people?
“5. People don’t even dream of promiscuity...not a bad thing “
Not a bad thing? Except they KILL females that break the death cultures standard of morality, they celebrate honor killings. They rape infidel females and it is acceptable. They rape one of their own and all is forgiven if the victim marries her rapist. Not a bad thing? Yes, they dream of promiscuity all the time. . .it is part of their death culture. They rape and it is okay. They die and they get 72 virgins each night, forever. THAT is dreaming of promiscuity. Even females are promised a “penis that never bends” when they are in “heaven.” Their whole life and after-life is about carnal pleasures (sex). Nothing spiritual about it at all.
6. Loyalty towards their family and clan
See above. . .They are tribal bigots with cowardly black, hateful hearts that celebrate raping and killing unbelievers and they want to take the entire world down with them. And that is something to be respected and honored?
Don’t think so, especially for conservatives.
“..............AFTER they chop off YOUR head, of course.
That IS what they do over there to convicted murderers. Barbaric.”
And also to non-believers and those that leave the death culture.
And we should help them overcome it. That doesn’t mean we need to let them overrun our country, however.
Islam is the problem.
It’s all in their book.
It has always been a religion of war, conquest and slavery.
There can be no peace until there is only Islam.
Or no Islam.
Mad Mo made it so.
Athough islam is fundamentally flawed, people are people - they all have human feelings and the divine spark of a soul.
There are good and bad in all groups. Good people have bad periods, and even the worst have some redeeming characteristic, or hope for redemption.
Just like those born into the Nazi Reich, Communist dictatorship or despotic tyranny; those born into islamic societies have pre-existing traditions and natural human feelings of love. There are always going to be fresh growth of humanity springing forth in any population. Islam is incapable of extinguishing all good from the human souls of all people within its sway. It is a degenerate influence, but not all-powerful.
Islam is not a positive force in a society, but despite its totalitarian impetus, other factors effect people as well. Arabs tend to dote on their children. Pashtuns often show great bravery standing up for a guest.
Italian culture is more emotional and flamboyant than Germans, despite them both being Christian - there are cultural differences of note between Christian Mexico, Brazil, the Philippines, and Canada as well. There are differences among muslim Malaysian culture from that of the Pastuns, Morrocans or Kurds.
Do you know what Jahiliyyah means? How about Dawah?
Nicely stated.
But I disagree.
Muslims are not like us. The only thing we may share is DNA, but beyond that we share nothing. Especially those in the mid-east.
They celebrate evil and follow an evil death cult/culture.
Oh, and dote on children. . .like this (below links)? Thing is, they consider that sort of stuff doting on them, teaching them to die while killing non-believers.
So, yes, that is doting on them because by being a martyr this will ensure their immediate access to heaven and 72 virgins.:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6223/161/1600/suicide_bomber.jpg
http://www.tribunaitalia.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Unicef-bambini-kamikaze.jpg
http://www.jewishjournal.com/images/photos/bb.07.05.02.jpg
https://themuslimissue.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/suicide-baby.jpg?w=290&h=290&crop=1
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c60bf53ef01a3fbc7d4d5970b-500wi
etc. . .
I frankly get annoyed at fellow FReepers who just hop on the thread to say "Oh, Islam bad; Muhammad, him double-plus-bad" as if we didn't know that already. This article shows some of the inner life of a pathetic, suffering Pashtun boy who is now, in "free Britain," struggling to comprehend the forces that were spiritually and physically mangling him for so long.
I don't know whether a fully conscious, total and explicit repudiation of Islam itself ("and all its pomps, and all its works") is found in his book, or not. After all, this was but a review of his published memoir, a much longer work.
We need to think about this. Other than saying "Oh Islam, double-plus-ungood" and feebly threatening them with annihilation from our tiny keyboards, what ought we to be thinking (with the mind of Christ), desiring (with the heart of Christ) and doing (with the strength of Christ)?
Because this is truly a spiritual war: you can't fight something with nothing. And without Christ--- I care nothing for nukes --- without Christ, we have, really, nothing to offer ten million men like this, nothing that will save them or us, and noplace to go in this world, or in the world to come.
As one of the muslims are bad crowd, let me add: I’ve lived in the mid-east (Egypt), and traveled extensively in the mid-east, too include Saudi, Oman, UAE, Bharain, Kuwait, and islam is an all present evil influence. My observations about islam is based on fact, not media hype.
Christ is The Way.
You are a Wise Latina (irregardless of actual ancestry).
I almost never buy hardcover books anymore. I may buy this one. There will be hundreds of thousands of young people coming over here with similar stories. This may help me learn more of their raw experience, before the story becomes sweetened with romanticism and homogenized by biased or well meaning community activists. Feliz Ano Nuevo!
I had a friend, an American, who aided the tribal mujahideen with weapons procurement when they were fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan. Andy was a passionate anti-Communist and was eager to fight the USSR in the most uncompromising way possible. He saw (this is 35 years ago) the Afghan mujahideen standing firm right there on their unforgiving, rocky ground, doing just that.
I think it's fair to say it made him very aware of the spiritual aspects of the battle. His experience did not turn him toward Muhammad: it turned him toward Christ. When I knew him, he was hors de combat. I don't know where he is now. I wonder what he's thinking.
Christ is the way. Absolutely.
BS? Did you read the article>? He says the same. He’s agreeing with you.
There IS no good in Islam.
Ever.
For any reason.
To believe so is to reason with the devil.
This ‘we just need to understand them’ kind of feel good Christianity is why the Mahgreb, Levant and Anatolia are now Muslim. And have been for over a thousand years.
And the Pastuns are definitely NOT a culture to bring to the west. For any reason.
And ‘spiritual warfare’ doesn’t do squat against Islam. Western Christianity tried that for 500 years. They eventually had to resort to ‘real’ warfare.
As long as a single person on this planet practices Islam, no one on the planet will ever be safe from Islam.
I grew up in a country, third world, that is 50% muslim.
The problem isn’t that we don’t fully understand Islam.
The problem is Islam.
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