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A real-life horror story: You are a felon and you didn't even know it
Fox News.com ^ | December 29, 2015 | Greg Glod

Posted on 12/30/2015 5:41:36 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: onedoug
To whom and for what purpose?

Metallic sodium is commonly used in synthetic labs as a counterion source in syntheses where you don't want or can't use an alkoxide or other base. We had some in my lab in grad school. It's not some weird, wild chemical that only terrorists or drug makers would use.

121 posted on 12/30/2015 10:57:54 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (Aeterna Aduersus Tyrannos)
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To: sharkhawk
Did UPS know he was shipping sodium?

I don't know. The only details about the shipment from the available information is that it was contracted for ground shipment.

122 posted on 12/30/2015 11:07:15 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Alberta's Child

A lot of federal crimes now are “strict liability,” that is, you are guilty if you did what they say, even if you didn’t know that you did anything wrong or even if others actually did it, if their actions can be attributed to you.

An example is that someone can be prosecuted by the feds for trying to sell an old family piano on Craigslist because it has ivory keys, even if you didn’t know the keys were made of ivory or the reason you are selling it was it was your recently deceased grandmother’s and you are just trying to clear out her stuff.

In the seventies my former barber was arrested for having a stuffed owl on display in his barbershop. The shop was named the “Owl Barbershop” and he had probably had the owl for at least 50 years. But once owls went on the endangered species act, it then became illegal to own anything that had owl parts in it. They eventually dropped the charges, but he never got his owl back.


123 posted on 12/30/2015 1:29:42 PM PST by kaehurowing
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To: Yashcheritsiy

We used to have sodium kept stored in mineral oil in high school chemistry class.

The story is told of how one of the teachers supposedly wanted to dispose of some old sodium. He rigged some contraption out on the football field where he would pull on a cord and then a bucket of water would be dumped on the block of sodium.

Apparently, the mushroom cloud could be seen for quite some distance.


124 posted on 12/30/2015 1:40:32 PM PST by kaehurowing
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To: sharkhawk

As far as I can tell without reading pages of court stuff the packages were marked clearly. UPS uses aircraft on shipments from/to Alaska for “ground” and his shipments wound up on the aircraft. Like I said upthread they guy needs to sue UPS. More on the story:

http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=17088


125 posted on 12/30/2015 2:07:18 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$

Many places in Alaska, air is the ONLY way to ship something!

Or dog sled!


126 posted on 12/30/2015 3:01:19 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Alaska is still a pretty awesome place and relatively untouched by civilization. Even the capital, Juneau, is not accessible by automobile (unless you take a ferry). Only by air or sea because it is surrounded by impenetrable mountains and glaciers. I learned that fun fact in a trivia game.


127 posted on 12/30/2015 3:04:12 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Elsie

So true. Last time I was up the bush pilot blew a tire on landing. Interesting ride! There is a show - Building Alaska about people building in the tundra. $6,000 to get a load of lumber in on a Cessna 208. Yikes!


128 posted on 12/30/2015 3:15:14 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: Kaslin
And some people get their panties in a wad when Trump suggests deporting all illegals.

We have a two-tiered government these days folks. One for them and one for us.

129 posted on 12/30/2015 3:25:57 PM PST by The Iceman Cometh (Proud Teabagging Barbarian Terrorist Hobbit Crazy Cracker Son-of-a-Bitch!)
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To: The Iceman Cometh

That sounds about like it


130 posted on 12/30/2015 3:28:17 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin
In freight transportation it's amazing how much responsibility the shipper has, and how little responsibility (comparatively speaking) the carrier has. Here in New Jersey some years ago there was a wooden bridge over a railroad line that got ripped apart when a freight train passed underneath it with an oversized load. It was a piece of machinery of some kind, loaded on a flatcar. When all was said and done, the railroad was absolved of any responsibility and the shipper had to file an insurance claim for the damage.

From what I understand, the UPS process for air vs. ground transportation has more to do with pricing than anything else. If you mark a package for air transportation and UPS can get it there faster on a truck due to airport schedules or other factors, they'll send it on a truck. And for Alaska, it works the other way around (since UPS probably ships almost nothing by truck out of Alaska even if the customer pays the truck rate).

I believe UPS requires shippers to complete a specific form if the package absolutely requires ground transportation for aircraft safety reasons.

131 posted on 12/30/2015 5:26:20 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: BBB333
It's extremely dangerous stuff!

Then the Government should rightly keep people like you from owning or handling it. (not everybody, just people like you)

132 posted on 12/30/2015 5:39:01 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ('Life is a comedy to those who think and a tragedy for those who feel' - Horace Walpole)
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To: The Iceman Cometh
And some people get their panties in a wad when Trump suggests deporting all illegals.

What part of Illegal do they FAIL to understand?

Deporting is a LOT cheaper than INCARCERATING!

133 posted on 12/31/2015 3:27:44 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Great tagline!


134 posted on 12/31/2015 3:29:21 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Alberta's Child

LOL! How true.


135 posted on 12/31/2015 1:45:16 PM PST by SgtHooper (Anyone who remembers the 60's, wasn't there!)
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