Posted on 12/25/2015 12:36:29 PM PST by marktwain
Abstract: As part of the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports system, the FBI gathers and reports both civilian and police officer justifiable homicide statistics. The methods by which these numbers are gathered make them gross undercounts of the actual legal, defensive homicides by citizens. Furthermore, comparing the civilian justifiable homicide numbers to criminal homicides for public policy cost/benefit analysis understates the crime reducing effects of civilian gun ownership.
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Just the wording suggests the researchers believe every time a gun is brandished a homicide occurs.
I'm willing to be the number of crimes thwarted simply by the brandishing of a weapon dwarfs both justifiable and criminal homicides.
Well, it also doesn’t consider the “Oh Shit!!” factor either. As in when someone pulls a knife and realizes the old .38 Special you just pulled is gonna ruin their day, and they head for the next county. No way to number those potential homocides, probably, but I bet there’s a shit load.
Merry Christmas Freepers.
Shocking. It’s like they way they manipulate “alcohol-related” auto deaths to support their anti-rights agenda. Then they quote it as “alcohol-related” which everyone automatically hears as “drunk driver at fault”.
I suspect that if you removed justifiable homicides from murder, it would have a considerable impact on the Detroit murder rate. I know its astronomical compared to the national justifiable homicide average. There would still be murders because thugs will be thugs but those aren’t usually justified.
Hardly a week goes by without a couple of store or home owners ending a threat on their doorstep.
Yeah, the trough feeding bureaucrats have forgotten they’re a semi-necessary evil and are supposed to serve US.
Detroit police chief Craig was keeping comparative stats online for the public and showing some major reductions in all kinds of crime across the board but the city council made him stop for some reason. Its important to note that James Craig is very outspoken in support of armed citizens protecting themselves.
Apparently the city government can live with a little Mogudishu image as long as it keeps the federal dollars flowing. They actually asked Chief Craig why he would report reductions in crime at the same time he was asking for more cops. (Basically warning him to get his head right with the program)
Well, since the Liberal battle-cry is that private firearms never prevent any crimes, the stats are clearly showing that they, as usual, are utterly wrong.
When we used to travel state to state before the CCW days, we traveled with a Remington 870 in the trunk.
While in St. Louis in an I 10 motel, I had the 870 up against the nightstand with the tube full of 12 gauge 00 and nothing in the chamber.
At about 3 am, the front door opened, but it was stopped by the chain lock. The front door was kicked as I racked the 870 with its unmistakeable ‘kerchick, kerchick.’
Suddenly a female voice yelled, ‘Don’t shoot don’t shoot, We be leaving, we be leavin’
I stood up, 870 in hand and looked out the cracked door as the
Thug woman and her two male companions scurried down the staircase like cockroaches exposed to the light.
I would not have hesitated to have emptied the 00 on them had they entered the room.I never saw their faces, only their fleeing backsides. No police report made after contacting hotel management. They moved us to a room with an unbroken front door and gave us a refund.
“I’m willing to be the number of crimes thwarted simply by the brandishing of a weapon dwarfs both justifiable and criminal homicides.”
John Lott, More Guns Less Crime, “Attempting to quantify this phenomenon, in the first edition of the book, published in May 1998, Lott wrote that “national surveys” suggested that “98 percent of the time that people use guns defensively, they merely have to brandish a weapon to break off an attack.”
A often unrecognized corollary of this statistic is the ridiculous discussion of which handgun caliber is the best. If in 98% of the cases, no shot is fired, what difference does the caliber make?
The word ‘citizen’ should be used instead of ‘civilian.’
Three times (excluding military) I used a firearms to stop incidents. In civilian life, during these three incidents, I never pulled the trigger and I’m not aware of any database that recorded these incidents. If just a fraction of gun owners had similar incidents, this could produce a rather large database. Of course the press would gloss over it.
It’s best to have a carry gun which is light and compact enough that you will always have it with you. You can have your. 45 for those times when you prefer stopping power and intimidation factor over concealability, but as your second gun.
I’ve pulled a gun in self defense once. It was many years ago. It was a 22 revolver. There were more of them than I had bullets, but no one wanted to be first - so I didn’t shoot. It never turned up in any statistics, since I was glad to get away with my life and didn’t think to file a report.
Thanks for the assist. I imagine there are far, far more examples of this out there.
“It’s best to have a carry gun which is light and compact enough that you will always have it with you. You can have your. 45 for those times when you prefer stopping power and intimidation factor over concealability, but as your second gun.”
During a discussion of the optimal defense gun caliber, one man was staunchly insisting that all the minimum acceptable calibers all begin with a ‘4’. Another man asked him what he was carrying right then and he responded that he had a 1911 in his glove box. The second man then said, the 380 in my pocket beats the 45 in your truck.
The way I phrase it for people is “A .22 in the hand beats a .45 left home in the safe” (although I never carry less than a .38)
I had a similar experience with a group, and had a similar realization. As a group, they knew they could take me. As individuals, they knew I would stab the first on to come in reach of me. Nobody wanted to be first. It doesn’t matter how many of them there are, if nobody is willing to be first.
How many crimes are stopped because serious ccw folks practice situational awareness and present an appearance of determined competence aka don’t screw with me.
“nobody is willing to be first.”
Only in the movies do they attack together. Otherwise it’s every man for himself.
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