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Can Donald Trump Lead A Conservative Movement He Barely Understands?
Talking Points Memo ^ | 12/23/2015 | By LAUREN FOX

Posted on 12/23/2015 3:21:27 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind
What-ever Trump is or isn't, I know he loves our country and our Western Culture and is eager to defend it.

That's more than we've been getting from anyone else.(Obama is actually allowed to attack and make harmful decisions about our country, Republicans are afraid to act))

My country needs help really, really fast or it will become a place I cannot live without being persecuted and lose my freedom.

I'm a White, male, Christian, Veteran and 'pop' culture is presently disparaging everything about me.
People that are patriotic are treated as goof-balls, if not worse.

I have a large American flag in my yard and I think some/many don't like that either.

- Go Trump -

41 posted on 12/23/2015 3:55:59 PM PST by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: DoughtyOne; All
I bet that <001% of the people who have heard Trump have ever read one of his books, seen an interview with him, or gone to his web site and read his Positions.

www.DonaldJTrump.com

42 posted on 12/23/2015 3:57:01 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore)
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To: Jim Noble

Jim I don’t recall Reagan running on the label Conservative, but his agenda was clearly Conservative.

He ran against the Liberal agenda and dogma.


43 posted on 12/23/2015 3:59:16 PM PST by DoughtyOne ((It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.))
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To: SeekAndFind

His task will be to lead America


44 posted on 12/23/2015 4:00:09 PM PST by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....carson is the kinder gentler trump.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ms Fox seems to be as long winded as our dark won. When they began to ramble they forget the time and continue to dig.

Ms. Fox, honey - So TRUMP is a fake Conservative. I would say he seems to be A FAR BETTER FAKE than the ones we have sitting on the right side of the aisle in DC. Those guys havent a clue as what this even means it as been so long since they have seen it. Take this piece of advice, chew on it a while and go home to wait for Santa. or the Tooth Fairy. But get outtahere! When you realize you havent a clue what you are talking about your face will be as red as the oo pResidents diapers.

WE STUMP FOR TRUMP
AND CANNOT LOSE WITH CRUZ.
THE TWO ON A TICKET WILL SHOW WHERE TO STICK IT

AMERICA WANTS JUSTICE FOR HER COUNTRY AND PEOPLES.
DESTROY ALL WHO WISH HER DAMAGE...ALL OF THEM!! NO PUNISHMENT IS TOO SEVERE!

MAKE AMERICA GREAT FOR GREAT AMERICANS
WE*RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER!


45 posted on 12/23/2015 4:01:16 PM PST by V K Lee (u TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP to TRIUMPH Follow the lead MAKE AMERICA GREAT)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Conservative Movement is not what he seeks to lead.

The so-called "Conservative Movement" is so tarnished, so irredeemably corrupt and generally anti-American...as to soon be dead.

The Conservative Movement is embodied in the GOP: Open Borders, Free Trade, Regime Change, Crony Capitalism.

Should I go on?

No, Trump seeks to lead the nascent Nationalism Movement.

46 posted on 12/23/2015 4:01:40 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: SeekAndFind

Trying to be elected President is not the same thing as trying to lead an ideological movement.


47 posted on 12/23/2015 4:01:43 PM PST by I Hired Craig Livingstone (Is Hillary schlonged? Only Huma knows for sure.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I call BS on that. There’s a conservo bible written by Will somewhere that’s supposed to be on my bookshelf? Trump was in biz doing stuff, not penning essays, not running for office. Who gives a crap about that? I’m a right winger, Trump’s a right winger, we’re all right wingers here and he’s fighting the damn leftists tooth and nail - we’re supposed to care what George friggin Will thinks about it? That bow tied p$ssy didn’t even support President Reagan when he tried to save the nation. Only later did Will become a supporter.


48 posted on 12/23/2015 4:02:00 PM PST by major-pelham
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To: SeekAndFind

“I thought that most FReepers agree that conservatism is what it TAKES to make America great again...”

Well you would be wrong about that. What it takes is getting all stripes to pull together. The president should represent all the people, conservative and liberal black and white.


49 posted on 12/23/2015 4:03:04 PM PST by babygene (Make America Great Again)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sadly, conservatives have their own brand of political correctness too, and a self-appointed priesthood. Trump is more like Reagan than so many of those who have attempted to capture, domesticate and patent Reagan’s ideas. (Remember “Evil Empire” . . . how it harelipped everyone . . . or SDI . . . or Reykjavik?) Every one of Reagan’s speeches still brims with power and originality. Not so for many of the copycats.


50 posted on 12/23/2015 4:03:08 PM PST by Disestablishmentarian
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To: centurion316

In the long run, we’ll have to determine what his impact is. Some of will be good and some of it will be bad.

The good may be very good. The bad may not be the kind of bad we’ve had under the Leftists for the last twenty years. I may be groan stuff that we know isn’t right, but isn’t the despicable type stuff the Left really wants.

His instinct to be for the nation first, is good. That will be very helpful.

If he can get the border under control, get the illegal alien problem dealt with, it may be worth the price of admission. If he can get spending under control, bring jobs back and pay down some of the debt, he may wind up being a very well respected president, even if he doesn’t all the expectation we have for a Conservative.

I suspect he’ll be the best since Reagan. He may surprise all of us.


51 posted on 12/23/2015 4:04:03 PM PST by DoughtyOne ((It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.))
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To: SeekAndFind

LoL.


52 posted on 12/23/2015 4:04:19 PM PST by Red Steel (Ted Cruz: 'I'm a Big Fan of Donald Trump')
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To: SeekAndFind

Why does (almost) everyone want a leader?
This government was formed to execute the will of the people within the Constitutional framework. And by “the people” I don’t mean “the parasites”, so people who are on the dole should not be allowed to vote.


53 posted on 12/23/2015 4:04:23 PM PST by Dalberg-Acton
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To: Mariner

There won’t be a country, conservative or otherwise, if we third-world ourselves to death through immigration and multi-culturalism...


54 posted on 12/23/2015 4:05:17 PM PST by I Hired Craig Livingstone (Is Hillary schlonged? Only Huma knows for sure.)
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To: Fai Mao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQLbwOGT8eM


55 posted on 12/23/2015 4:07:12 PM PST by Reverend Wright (Illegal immigrants: Arrest, Intern, Deport)
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To: SeekAndFind
For at least two generations, conservatives have been playing the long game on taxes, the judiciary, and abortion,

long game = eternity


56 posted on 12/23/2015 4:13:15 PM PST by 867V309 (Trump: Bull in a RINO Shoppe)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why not Bush, Rubio and others are trying.


57 posted on 12/23/2015 4:14:46 PM PST by pas
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To: SeekAndFind
This is what I want from a Conservative Leader:

1. Pass a federal law allowing prayers in school, Christmas parties, birthday parties, etc.

2. Make English an official language and make it a felony to not follow English in all things. (Yes I can speak Spanish but even I don't want to hear it constantly in this country).

3. Make abortion completely illegal.

4. Be forceful to the World. Get rid of the UN at least in America, the International Court, NATO, and all the other garbage we are involved with other countries.

5. Make Catholic Church the official church of America......I know that won't pass which is a pity.

6. Get rid of all taxes and have one 10 percent on every purchase including clothes and food. But that is it. 3 percent for the states.....but that is it. Nothing more. Social Security stays as is.

7. Dump Global Warming nonsense. Even if it is true, we can't afford it so we must take our chances.

8. Make it a felony for criticizing Christian Religions or people. Too much of it going on.

9. Ban Atheism, Kwanzaa, and Festivus (Yes I loved Seinfeld, but its been 20 years....get over it).

10. Order all state houses to allow nativity scenes, 10 commandments, etc anywhere they want. 30 year jail term if you disrupt this in anyway.

That would be close to my perfect America as a Conservative. I would imagine you would love the majority of it too. We can have this we just need a true conservative to make those things happen.

58 posted on 12/23/2015 4:15:11 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: SeekAndFind; CatherineofAragon; cripplecreek; Finny; editor-surveyor; sitetest; caww
The problem for conservatives goes beyond Trump's own positions, which over the years departed from the conservative orthodoxy. Trump lacks a basic sense of the values of the conservative movement. . . .

This is why I don't trust this clown for a minute. He's clueless when it comes to conservatism. Trump is not to be trusted.

59 posted on 12/23/2015 4:17:08 PM PST by Charles Henrickson (Social and constitutional conservative)
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To: x

“the deals struck over the years to hold the different elements of the movement together as a unified force. “

Yes: this conservative establishment has been a total disaster and should be rejected for it’s failure to do anything but feed itself.
What arrogance to even speak!
It has neither advanced conservative causes, principles, or candidates.
Oh, they did succeed at getting Cantor and Ryan elected.

The 40% effective conservatism of Trump looks mighty good after over a decade of 0% effective conservatism.

Whoever wins, 99% of this ‘movement conservative’ establishment must be culled so a new force can replace it.


60 posted on 12/23/2015 4:17:20 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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