[American Faith Today]

I don’t know what this “you guys” stuff is, as I doubt that you’ve ever seen me doing figurative back flips if Cruz is doing well in the polls.

Note that I didn’t attack Trump or his supporters in my reply to you. As a matter of fact, while I have no qualms with saying I’m not supporting Trump and don’t want him as president, I also am at least trying, in general, not to attack him or go out of the way to attack those who support him.

Admittedly, that’s not easy to do here.

And with that said, and it’s not meant as an attack, but if we’re going to play the “us vs. you” game, I know I’m not the only one here who notices that it IS usually TRUMP SUPPORTERS who post good news polls (sure, Cruz people do it too), but seemingly look at EVERY POLL that shows that there is even a possibility of someone getting close to Donald, or God forbid, beating him in a state, well then immediately something is wrong with the poll.

So basically, the whole m.o. seems to be, “Embrace the polls that show the Donald cleaning up”, but ignore and attack every one that shows someone may have passed him up.” They attack Iowa polls that show Cruz in the lead as GOPe or liberal ploys, even though the last two elections show Christian conservatives winning the state (Huckabee, Santorum)and almost anyone with influence in Iowa having endorsed Cruz.

I didn’t say anything about what I would “like” to see. I said that again we need only look 3 years back to see one can draw massive crowds at their rallies and yet still lose an election.

Which I thought was kind of the whole point all along. I’ll guarantee it is for the guy you’re supporting, although I’m sure he’s happy, obviously he’s happy, with the crowd sizes too.

[DoughtyOne]

I don’t know what this “you guys” stuff is, as I doubt that you’ve ever seen me doing figurative back flips if Cruz is doing well in the polls.

You'll have to understand there are generally two groups here.  There are ones who like Cruz and ones who like Trump.  Yes I know some folks say they will be okay with either, but then I see them on Trump threads taking him to task too.

When you come here and point out Romney didn't win and he had big crowds, I do default to you being a Cruz backer.  If not, I'll take your word for it.

Note that I didn’t attack Trump or his supporters in my reply to you. As a matter of fact, while I have no qualms with saying I’m not supporting Trump and don’t want him as president, I also am at least trying, in general, not to attack him or go out of the way to attack those who support him.

Admittedly, that’s not easy to do here.

Well, okay but then let's look at what you posted too, okay?  We'll look at your response, further down.  I think you'll see why I was more inclined to think you supported Cruz later on.

And with that said, and it’s not meant as an attack, but if we’re going to play the “us vs. you” game, I know I’m not the only one here who notices that it IS usually TRUMP SUPPORTERS who post good news polls (sure, Cruz people do it too), but seemingly look at EVERY POLL that shows that there is even a possibility of someone getting close to Donald, or God forbid, beating him in a state, well then immediately something is wrong with the poll.

And why is that?  One poll the other day showed Trump in an unfavorable light.  Then we looked at the data, and they had a +/- of 7%.  Generally polls with a 4.9% +/- are considered iffy, so a 7%er was obviously problematic.  Was it wrong to point that out?  I don't think so, and I doubt you do either.  Other outlier polls come out, and we talk negatively about them too.  A few weeks back there was a poll on a Tuesday and a poll on the following Friday.  During that three day span, Trump was supposed to have gone down 12 points, and Cruz was supposed to have gone up 11.  Nothing happened to generate that change, so we said it was a very iffy looking poll.  Sure enough, a day later a poll came out revealing the one showing 11 and 12% changes was out of line.  Why shouldn't we deduce on our own what looks problematic?

One day last week a supporter of the other candidate said this to me.  "Who even cares what those polls say anymore?"  Then two sentences later he was braging how his candidate had done in a poll.  So this isn't just one direction.

When Cruz looked really good in that one poll, I held off saying anything for a day or so.  And then it became quite clear what had taken place.  Shouldn't I say something if a poll does have noticable problems?.

So basically, the whole m.o. seems to be, “Embrace the polls that show the Donald cleaning up”, but ignore and attack every one that shows someone may have passed him up.” They attack Iowa polls that show Cruz in the lead as GOPe or liberal ploys, even though the last two elections show Christian conservatives winning the state (Huckabee, Santorum)and almost anyone with influence in Iowa having endorsed Cruz.

Yes, and who are those folks in Iowa who have endorsed Cruz?  Aren't they in-state establishment GOPe people?

I didn’t say anything about what I would “like” to see. I said that again we need only look 3 years back to see one can draw massive crowds at their rallies and yet still lose an election.

Yes, and yet what you failed to notice, is that you are comparing Romney's rallies before the general election to Trumps pre nomination rallies.  You have never seen rallies like these now before.  Trump was bringing in upwards of 30,000 people months ago.  At that time Romney wasn't bringing in more than 100s.  And you also failed to mention, that Romney did win the nomination.  That's what Trump is headed into, not the general election.

When I read your comparisons, it immediately jumped out at me that Romney did win part of the process.  And the part he won, he wasn't turning out these types of numbers or anything like them.  I am so used to Cruz folks making these types of mistakes, that I naturally thought you were trying to take Trump down with negative comments that didn't match up..

Which I thought was kind of the whole point all along. I’ll guarantee it is for the guy you’re supporting, although I’m sure he’s happy, obviously he’s happy, with the crowd sizes too.

Look, this is silly.  The Cruz folks think it's a big deal that he is drawing 1,000 people right now.  Now someone is telling me that 10,000 20,000 or 30,000 aren't important, because Romney didn't win.

Okay, so why are the Cruz folks happy with 1,000 people showing up?