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The Sessions-Cruz Video Fox News Doesn’t Want You to See
Conservative Review ^ | December 21st, 2015 | Daniel Horowitz

Posted on 12/21/2015 11:50:15 AM PST by Isara

When establishment candidates are losing support with the voters, they often resort to their last subterfuge in the bag of tricks.  They try to taint their conservative opponent as something less than a consistent conservative in the hopes of deflating the momentum of said opponent.  I’ve seen this dynamic play out in almost every competitive primary.  And this is exactly what we are seeing with the entire GOP establishment media that is suddenly concerned that Ted Cruz is not really a conservative. 

To those of us who worked on the immigration issue in 2013, there was no secret as to who was pushing amnesty and who was fighting for American sovereignty.  But who better than Jeff Sessions to set the record straight?  Here it is straight from the mouth of the general that Cruz was standing with him “every step of the way”:

Jeff Sessions: Ted Cruz was on my side to defeat the Gang of Eight amnesty bill (Video)

“I believe without the vigorous opposition of Ted Cruz, this bill likely would have passed.  So we need to thank him for that.”

Notice that Sen. Sessions speaks of the $1.5 billion spent on ads promoting the Gang of 8. Guess who starred in those ads for Mark Zuckerberg?  Yup, the junior senator from Florida. 

Sessions goes on to recount that day in May 2013, when the Senate Judiciary Committee met to mark up the bill and how Cruz was one of the first people he saw rattle Schumer’s cage. 

You won’t see this video played on Fox News.  They will continue to entertain themselves within their insular echo chamber.  Unfortunately for them, the voters aren’t listening.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Alabama; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: amnesty; cruz; cruzisright; cruzlies; foxnews; gangofeight; jeffsessions; rubio; sessions; tcruz; tedcruz; video
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
No. Did you read the article in your own link.

Yes, in fact, I read all of it, so did you. But you're too dishonest to quote it all.

No I'm always honest and you have a history of screaming liar when somebody doesn't agree with you. DON'T DO THAT. It makes you look like an ass.

If you see something in the article that supports your point than document it. Else STFU.

81 posted on 12/21/2015 7:46:13 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Yes, I’ve been with some Reformed folks who didn’t think of themselves as evangelicals. We eventually parted ways because they seemed to me to be elevating their confessions to the same level of authority as Scripture. The theonomists were fun too. Gary North’s book, “Crossed Fingers,” very good history lesson but too long.

In any event, sweeping generalizations are another great way to discredit your arguments. Mostly evangelicals are just Christians. Yes, there are disappointments. There always have been, always will be. But lumping them all together is a fallacy. I expect my brilliant Reformed siblings in Christ to avoid such obvious error.

Besides, it is not our job to look down on our brothers and sisters in Christ even when they do disappoint. Instead, it is our job to avoid disappointing them. Love rejoices in the truth, yes, but love is also kind, and patient, and not self-promoting, is not rude, or self-seeking, and doesn’t keep track of offences. I know that’s a really high standard, but it’s not as if we have a choice.

Peace,

SR


82 posted on 12/21/2015 7:47:34 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer; Greetings_Puny_Humans; brothers4thID
It is my sincere belief you(Greetings_Puny_Humans)would do well to refrain from accusing people of lying when strong difference persist. To prove a lie, you need to prove intent, and if you cannot show a person is saying something they themselves believe to be untrue, you cannot show an intent to deceive. If you mean to do well in law school, you will need to master the art of proving up the elements of a claim.

Bingo.

83 posted on 12/21/2015 7:49:06 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Springfield Reformer
The theonomists were fun too.

FYI, Cruz's Dominionism is theonomy, just a more retarded version.

Love rejoices in the truth, yes, but love is also kind,

Kindness is wasted on the prosperity gimps and worthless dogs of the modern day American church.

84 posted on 12/21/2015 7:56:10 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

What is your evidence that Cruz himself supports Dominionism? He is a Souther Baptist. I know his father has been accused of being a dominionist, and maybe he is, but that wouldn’t prove Cruz was. My own father and I had serious theological differences that were never resolved, though we loved each other dearly.

As for dominionists, yes, that is problematic. There is an old Presbyterian church right next door to me that is owned and run by a gaggle of dominionists. Having been a Southern Baptist myself, I can tell you the two are quite different. My position, until I know better, is that Ted is a Southern Baptist, not a dominionist.

So then, what is your evidence? My own quick perusal found only guilt by association (Raphael), which as you surely know is a fallacy. I also saw some folks conflating a legitimate interest in godly governance with the bizarre eschatology of dominionism, and that too is a fallacy, a category error. What is your smoking gun?

Peace,

SR


85 posted on 12/21/2015 9:11:10 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer
What is your evidence that Cruz himself supports Dominionism?

Creepy Business: Ted Cruz Father "My Son Anointed to Take Control of Society... Cruz subsequently anointed/prayed over by Dominionist Pastors

He is a Souther Baptist.

Dominionism isn't a denomination. Cruz attends Houston's 1st Baptist, a megachurch associated with Beth Moore, a false prophetess, who has done ecumenical work with Joyce Meyer of the WOF cretins. Haven't finished my research, however, into all of the pastors of Cruz's church as of yet.

86 posted on 12/22/2015 5:55:24 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Springfield Reformer; Greetings_Puny_Humans
What is your evidence that Cruz himself supports Dominionism?

He doesn't have any evidence that Ted Cruz believes that other than allowing some church leaders to pray for him. He just believes that his "lax Presbyterian"(his words) candidate somehow has a better chance in the general election even though he polls worse head-to-head and has worst favorability numbers than all other major candidates.

He does seem to be drawn to all the Cruz threads to post about dominionism and some claim to know Cruz's true intentions in exposing the Gang of Eight's sticking point with the path to citizenship.

87 posted on 12/22/2015 2:31:29 PM PST by DrewsDad (Choose Cruz - The Consistent Constitutional Conservative)
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To: DrewsDad
He doesn't have any evidence that Ted Cruz believes that other than allowing some church leaders to pray for him.

That, and his daddy and the church he attends.

88 posted on 12/22/2015 3:01:25 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

So, you’re saying that First Baptist Church in Houston supports dominionism?


89 posted on 12/22/2015 4:09:57 PM PST by DrewsDad (Choose Cruz - The Consistent Constitutional Conservative)
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To: DrewsDad; All
"To thank her [Beth Moore] for her 29 years of teaching at Houston's First, Pastor Gregg Matte and his wife Kelly presented Beth with a gift from the church..."

http://houstonsfirst.org/news-updates/thank-you-beth/#sthash.T1emcgAz.dpuf

"Today the beliefs some Christians hold contain a good deal of New Age/New Thought ideas borrowed from Eastern mysticism. Bible teacher, conference speaker and founder of Living Word Ministries Beth Moore is one of those teachers.

Article title: "BETH MOORE WORSHIPS AT JOEL OSTEEN'S CHURCH AS PASTRIX CHRISTINE CAINE PREACHES" (Link also contains video of Beth and her revelations that the Roman Catholics are just another Christian denomination-- a classic Dominionist claim)

http://apprising.org/2013/12/23/beth-moore-worships-at-joel-osteens-church-as-pastrix-christine-caine-preaches/

90 posted on 12/22/2015 4:40:18 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: DrewsDad; All
Oops, forgot a link:

"To thank her [Beth Moore] for her 29 years of teaching at Houston's First, Pastor Gregg Matte and his wife Kelly presented Beth with a gift from the church..."

http://houstonsfirst.org/news-updates/thank-you-beth/#sthash.T1emcgAz.dpuf

"Today the beliefs some Christians hold contain a good deal of New Age/New Thought ideas borrowed from Eastern mysticism. Bible teacher, conference speaker and founder of Living Word Ministries Beth Moore is one of those teachers.

http://www.newswithviews.com/West/marsha254.htm"

Article title: "BETH MOORE WORSHIPS AT JOEL OSTEEN'S CHURCH AS PASTRIX CHRISTINE CAINE PREACHES" (Link also contains video of Beth and her revelations that the Roman Catholics are just another Christian denomination-- a classic Dominionist claim)

http://apprising.org/2013/12/23/beth-moore-worships-at-joel-osteens-church-as-pastrix-christine-caine-preaches/

91 posted on 12/22/2015 4:44:08 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Instead of getting ready to burn her at the stake for saying "He told me", I would have probably asked her to clarify her remarks. Did anyone do that? It sounds like your case is more like guilt by association. So in Cruz's case, it would be guilt by association, by association, by association.

Cruz was asked in a debate if he received any word from God and he replied:

Well, I am blessed to receive a word from God every day in receiving the scriptures and reading the scriptures. And God speaks through the Bible.

Are you going to condemn him for that too?

92 posted on 12/22/2015 5:51:19 PM PST by DrewsDad (Choose Cruz - The Consistent Constitutional Conservative)
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To: DrewsDad
Instead of getting ready to burn her at the stake for saying "He told me", I would have probably asked her to clarify her remarks.

She's claiming divine revelation for her ecumenical crap. She's into new age mysticism and mumbo jumbo. She partners with Dominionists such as Joyce Meyers, or prosperity gimps like Joel Osteen, to get Christians to give up their "labels," like Protestant, Baptist, Presbyterian, Catholic, "we're all One church!".

This is Ted Cruz's church!

She's up the creek without the paddle. No going back for her.

93 posted on 12/22/2015 5:54:10 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
to get Christians to give up their "labels," like Protestant, Baptist, Presbyterian, Catholic, "we're all One church!".

As far as those that are doctrinally sound, are we not all one body of believers in Christ?

I found one website that labeled Billy Graham a false teacher alongside Beth Moore. Do you have a website that provides more details on Moore's heresy?

94 posted on 12/22/2015 7:55:00 PM PST by DrewsDad (Choose Cruz - The Consistent Constitutional Conservative)
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To: DrewsDad
are we not all one body of believers in Christ?

Not with Papists, barely with our modern day Pelagians masquerading as Evangelicals (the Charismaniacs and other freaks of nature). There's no problem working politically with other groups-- but doctrine matters and trumps all from the Christian perspective. You do not try to change Christian truth for deceptive unity.

95 posted on 12/22/2015 8:23:39 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; DrewsDad; Jim Robinson
Beth Moore is a Sunday school teacher at a megachurch.  I've gone to churches that had some problem people on the teaching staff.  The pastoral staff has the responsibility of oversight.  Ted just goes to church there.  You have not demonstrated your original assertion at all. Show us where Ted says he believes it is necessary for Christians to conquer earth before Christ can return. That's the dominionism I have for next door neighbors. We say hi when he mows the churchyard grass.  Does that make me a dominionist? I trow not.

BTW, I once went to a Southern Baptist church that tolerated masons. That was wrong of the pastoral staff to allow. But it didn't make me or anyone else a mason.  

So just as I said, the two major avenues of attack to make Ted into a dominionist are guilt by association, and category error, i.e., defining dominionism so broadly no decent, conservative Christian could escape the charge. Kind of like how the SPLC defames us routinely.  That link you provided, and the embedded link referring to the laying on of hands event in Iowa, has some great material to prove the latter point. As I read it, the authors believe you are probably a dominionist if you:

1)  Defend the religious liberty of civil servants who refuse to support gay marriage
2)  Accuse people who advocate for abortion of being satanists
3)  Argue that the Constitution and the legal system of our country can trace their roots to Old Testament law, i.e., we are a Judeo-Christian nation
4)  Worry that the judgment of God could come to our country in the form of violence against evildoers
5)  Argue that the principle of separation of church and state is an incorrect understanding of the Constitution
6)  Propose that the gay agenda is more a tool of Marxist disdain for the family than it is about sexual preferences

I could go on and on.  Not one of those "proofs" demonstrate dominionism.  Not even close. In fact, you might find out that the founder of this site concurs with all those "proofs."  Jim, are you a dominionist? No need to answer.  We all know you aren't. At least most of us do. I hope.

Peace,

SR
96 posted on 12/22/2015 8:31:23 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer
Beth Moore is a Sunday school teacher

Just a Sunday school teacher? No, not really.

Show us where Ted says he believes it is necessary for Christians to conquer earth before Christ can return.

Replace Ted with "Obama" and "conquer earth before Christ" etc. with "anti-American Liberation theology," and you'll understand the fallacious nature of denying that the sermons of Ted Cruz's own father, working as an agent of Cruz's campaign, along with Cruz's church culture, don't matter.

97 posted on 12/22/2015 8:40:59 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; DrewsDad

No, the Black Liberation Theology of Wright was taught from the pulpit. It was core to the teaching ministry of the church. That is profoundly different from having a controversial Sunday school teacher.

As for Rafael, you are not privy to the relationship going on there. Like I said, my own dad and I differed over the doctrines of grace. Had I been a political figure while he was alive, I am sure he would have supported me, and the theological differences we had would not have been a factor. You do not have evidence that Ted Cruz is anything but a typical Southern Baptist. No conviction for you. :)

Peace,

SR


98 posted on 12/22/2015 8:52:57 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer
No, the Black Liberation Theology of Wright was taught from the pulpit.

Yup, and so does Beth Moore, despite your "she's just an obscure sunday school teacher!" BS:

"That Fall Beth was re-taping Living Beyond Yourself and I sat up on the left-hand stairs near the top of Houston’s First Baptist Church. (Well, my left, her right.) I’d never, in all my years in church, seen somebody teach with such passion and authority. Needless to say, it was contagious. So contagious, in fact, that I went home and devoured my homework. I did it at night propped up in my bed because let’s be honest, I had no interest in setting aside an hour each morning, but that worked really well for me."

http://blog.lproof.org/2014/03/a-journey-through-bible-study.html

As for Rafael, you are not privy to the relationship going on there.

Then Cruz should probably stop sending him to CAMPAIGN ON HIS BEHALF TO DOMINIONIST/EVANGLICAL AUDIENCES and NOT RECEIVE HANDS ON ANOINTING BY DOMINIONISTS.

99 posted on 12/22/2015 9:00:59 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; DrewsDad
Then Cruz should probably stop sending him to CAMPAIGN ON HIS BEHALF TO DOMINIONIST/EVANGLICAL AUDIENCES and NOT RECEIVE HANDS ON ANOINTING BY DOMINIONISTS.

But you never demonstrated that those folks at the laying on of hands were dominionists.  To this point, I haven't even seen you offer a concrete definition of dominionism.  You realize that when you make statements that can't be falsified, they can't be truthified either, right?  You can make all kinds of accusations, and without a firm definition, we can never be sure if it's true or not.  You haven't specificed anything ever taught from the pulpit that constitutes dominionism, not in that church, and until you do, yer talkin through yer hat, bro. :)

Peace,

SR
100 posted on 12/22/2015 9:53:31 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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