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Trey Gowdy Twists Natural Born Citizen Qualification to Support Marco Rubio
Freedom Outpost ^ | 12/19/2015 | Tim Brown

Posted on 12/21/2015 6:04:59 AM PST by HomerBohn

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To: driftdiver

“English, Irish, Italian, Polish, German, Greek, Spanish, Chinese, Japanese all immigrated here in large numbers from 1620 through the 1930s.”

Chinese, Japanese, Italians from 1620s, you are insane.


121 posted on 12/21/2015 11:28:04 AM PST by odawg
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To: thackney

The Puritans did not like Christmas; said it was too much Popery.


122 posted on 12/21/2015 11:28:48 AM PST by odawg
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To: odawg; driftdiver; All

“And, by the way, your repeated assertion,”we are a nation of immigrants” is not proof that we are a nation of immigrants.”

Exactly!

I was reminded of a particularly good article by Lawrence Auster , ‘Are We Really a Nation of Immigrants? ‘ from FrontPageMagazine.com in 2006. Keep in mind this fact.

“Fifty-six men from each of the original 13 colonies signed the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776. Nine of the signers were immigrants, two were brothers and two were cousins. One was an orphan.”

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ArtId=4976


123 posted on 12/21/2015 11:30:47 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: odawg
"from 1620 through the 1930s."

You idiot

124 posted on 12/21/2015 11:37:47 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: AuntB; All

What the hell do you all have against immigrants? Everyone you just mentioned was here because someone immigrated to America.

I had one come over on a ship in 1640.


125 posted on 12/21/2015 11:43:20 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

“from 1620 through the 1930s.”
You idiot

Yes, that is what you posted, you idiot. You can’t read your own posts?


126 posted on 12/21/2015 11:44:04 AM PST by odawg
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To: odawg
Historians say that there was not a single capital crime committed in the colony of Massachusetts from 1650 to 1750.

Maybe I'm missing some intended humor.

Are you claiming they executed people for non-capital crimes?

127 posted on 12/21/2015 11:45:35 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: AuntB

I only had time to skim the article, seems good.


128 posted on 12/21/2015 11:46:55 AM PST by odawg
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To: odawg

So the Chinese didn’t immigrate to America during that period? No Japanese either?

Howd they get here? When did they get here? Maybe you think it was aliens.


129 posted on 12/21/2015 11:47:41 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: thackney

“Are you claiming they executed people for non-capital crimes?”

No, but are you claiming to be serious?


130 posted on 12/21/2015 11:48:23 AM PST by odawg
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To: odawg

Massachusetts executed people in that time period.


131 posted on 12/21/2015 11:49:21 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: driftdiver

The Chinese were brought in to build the transcontinental railroads mid-19th century.

from Wikipedia:

1885: On February 8, the first official intake of Japanese migrants to a U.S.-controlled entity occurs when 676 men, 159 women, and 108 children arrive in Honolulu on board the Pacific Mail passenger freighter City of Tokio. These immigrants, the first of many Japanese immigrants to Hawaii, have come to work as laborers on the island’s sugar plantations via an assisted passage scheme organized by the Hawaiian government.


132 posted on 12/21/2015 11:51:35 AM PST by odawg
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To: HomerBohn
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof on application to any common law Court of record in any one of the States wherein he shall have resided for the term of one year at least, and making proof to the satisfaction of such Court that he is a person of good character, and taking the oath or affirmation prescribed by law to support the Constitution of the United States, which Oath or Affirmation such Court shall administer, and the Clerk of such Court shall record such Application, and the proceedings thereon; and thereupon such person shall be considered as a Citizen of the United States. And the children of such person so naturalized, dwelling within the United States, being under the age of twenty one years at the time of such naturalization, shall also be considered as citizens of the United States. And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States: Provided also, that no person heretofore proscribed by any States, shall be admitted a citizen as aforesaid, except by an Act of the Legislature of the State in which such person was proscribed.

That doesn't necessarily support the idea of a distinction between "citizens" and "natural born citizens" -- just the idea of a distinction between born citizens and naturalized citizens.

Also, what's with the "free white" thing?

133 posted on 12/21/2015 11:53:49 AM PST by x
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To: thackney
Okay, then that begs a question:

If American citizenship is an inheritance conveyed to a child at birth, then how would you define a "pure" American?

134 posted on 12/21/2015 11:54:15 AM PST by GBA (Here in the matrix, life is but a dream.)
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how would you define a "pure" American?

Rather meaningless term for me. Americans are mutts, not pure breeds.

135 posted on 12/21/2015 11:57:35 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: odawg

Which is during the timeframe I mentioned. Right?


136 posted on 12/21/2015 12:18:36 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: thackney
I disagree, but I am an American and nothing else and so my nationalism and love of country taints my understanding.

As such, you would be correct in saying the American identity, nationalism, symbols and history, good and bad, are personal for me. It's all I can honestly claim, legally or otherwise.

No matter where they came from or what ethnicity my people had, they all legally became Americans who then gave birth to Americans here in America.

You can only give what you have and, with regards to citizenship, all they had to pass on the their heirs was American.

That's how I define a pure American.

With chemistry, if you mix three things together and still have the same thing, then it's pure.

In the chemistry of citizenship our FFs had studied, I believe that legal purity was referred to as "natural born" citizenship.

A natural born citizen is a citizen at birth of one country and nothing else. So, while all natural born citizens are citizens, but not all citizens are natural born.

I don't believe the Founding Father's referred to themselves as mutts, but believed they had started a pure breed.

Works for me. You know, "E pluribus unum"...or something like that.

137 posted on 12/21/2015 12:32:39 PM PST by GBA (Here in the matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: HomerBohn

A badly written article, and a stupid one.

Rubio isn’t my choice, and he’s a 14th Amendment baby, but by the laws as we currently observe them, he’s eligible to run. Bark up a different tree.


138 posted on 12/21/2015 12:38:21 PM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert ("Cruz." That's the answer.)
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To: GBA

For me, I’m an American.

Other labels defining what type of American just try to diminish “American”.

Cheers.


139 posted on 12/21/2015 12:39:32 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
As an emotional truth, in addition to being a legal understanding of inheritance, the purity of the natural born definition, seems to function as a sort of human universal trait.

You can see it with Texans or for those from NYC or Jersey, for example, or with those in many parts of what was called "The South" once upon a time.

I've spent a lot around the hard core Irish and it's the same sort of thing with them, too, and not just on St. Patty's day.

Therefore, I can't deny the emotional truth of divided allegiance or loyalty, either.

The reality of that truth and of those emotions can even motivate a careful or fearful people to overrule legality, which explains the "unexplainable" such as during WWII when both Japanese and German Americans were moved to internment camps.

I wonder if those emotional truths were even more important and compelling for those first Americans, given their fledgling status as compared to the much stronger powers around them?

140 posted on 12/21/2015 1:13:36 PM PST by GBA (Here in the matrix, life is but a dream.)
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