Posted on 12/19/2015 3:46:52 PM PST by Kaslin
Punishment is an aspect of Discipline.
They are not opposites. It’s like saying “car owners should top off their fluids, not their oil.”
Excellent point
And stop torturing common sense!
Punishment is an aspect of Discipline.
They are not opposites. This is like saying “car owners should top off the fluids, not the oil, in their cars.”
And stop torturing common sense!
Punishment is an aspect of Discipline.
They are not opposites. This is like saying “car owners should top off the fluids, not the oil, in their cars.”
I could not have said it any better
Discipline comes from the same root word as discipleship...it is instruction and teaching.
This piece is nicely put together...hardly qualifies as psychobabble ( and the world has enough of that)
I disciplined my children and they turned out very well. I could have done the same thing and called it punishment, and the results would have been very much the same.
The usual fans of hitting and shaming children will pile on.
Parents spank their children because they can’t be bothered thinking, reflecting, figuring out how they are modeling bad behavior to their children, etc.
So much easier to spank them and humiliate them. And then wonder, once they move out, why you never hear from them.
My point is that punishment is correction, as is discipline. For the writer to put punishment into the category of retaliation is a gross straw man. That is what I meant by unwarranted selective definition.
The author is making up his own definitions to based his argument on, as a primary definition of discipline is "control that is gained by requiring that rules or orders be obeyed and punishing bad behavior" (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/discipline)
Discipline is exercised by inflicting punishment, the latter of which can also be done as merely punitive retribution. God punishes His own as a consequence of sin so that they will repent, as well as develop better character, as well as to teach them or others that sin has a cost. King David, though forgiven, realized this. "For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth." (Hebrews 12:6) But He also punishes the lost in retribution for sins.
Ha! I was filleted, sauteed, and pureed as a child.
It worked, too!
When I was growing up the most terrifying words my Dad ever said were: Bring me my belt.
My Dad had one belt.
It was used on Sunday to hold his trousers up and Monday through Saturday to discipline children.
BTW, Monday through Saturday he wore overalls. No belt required.
"Go get the stick."
If I ever have kids, they will not get any leeway from me for bad behavior. I know too many spoiled brats who didn’t get whapped enough and are horrid people.
This is complete nonsense.
We used the 1-2-3 method with our kids. Count to three and (the book says give them a time three minute out at three).
My wife did straight cadence and the time out. The kids would ignore her.
I did a spanking at three (three swats to the arse). Varied the cadence to keep them on their toes. Works like a charm every time. I can count on one hand the number of times I had to spank both of the kids.
When I start counting they hop-to to whatever I wanted. My wife...is ignored and she can’t understand it.
Lack of discipline from lack of punishment has resulted in the spoiled brats doing all the mass shootings because they want to act out.
Thankfully, my parents and relatives would indeed keep me in line through the application of a limber stick known as a 'switch'.
If I was bad enough to get it at a relatives, I'd be punished and disciplined at home, too.
While not 100% effective, it did force me to weigh the possible consequences against any act I might endeavour which was not sanctioned.
Considering my parents often knew where I had been and what I had done before I got home if I was out of line, it was, on balance, sufficient.
A mere 2 ft. by 2 ft. square, taped onto the floor with masking tape. She was required to stand, hands at her sides, silent and still for intervals of 5 minutes to start, the clock reset if she stepped out or said something.
She is older now, and still remembers it.
It worked as a punishment. Afterwards, we would discuss the reasons for being punished and what not to do. She learned, and is a fine young lady to this day.
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