Russia's forgotten role in the creation of Israel

Ynet News ^ | 12 Dec 2015 | Jonathan Adelman

[BlackVeil]

Many people have been surprised by the level of cooperation these days between Russia and Israel, two seemingly very different countries. Yet this relationship is not just based on current parallel needs but on the history of the creation of Israel in which Russia played a major, if often forgotten, role.

The fact that the creation of Israel owed a lot to that well-known anti-Semite, Joseph Stalin, is truly ironic. For Stalin launched the black years of Soviet Jewry (1948-1953) in which thousands of Jews were assailed as "rootless cosmopolitans" and lost their jobs. In 1952 he promoted the vicious anti-Semitic "Doctors' Plot." Many feel that ...

[BlackVeil]

Lots of historical discussion in this article. Interesting in view of the Syria situation.

[Olog-hai]

(Stalin) had two clear hopes, the first of which was partly realized. He hoped that the creation of Israel would create chaos in the region and bring about the downfall of the British Empire. Then he hoped that Israel, with strong socialist leadership, might become a quasi-satellite of the Soviet Union. […]

After Stalin’s ideas failed, his successors had little problem selling weapons to Egypt starting in 1955. For the next 25 years the Soviet Union provided many billions of dollars of weapons to Arab states in their ensuing four wars with Israel. …

And right now, Putin’s chief ally in the region is the entity that promises to wipe Israel off the map and chants “Death to Israel” as often as “Death to America”.

[jcon40]

Yeah doesn’t make sense on the surface but Isreal is not foolish either.

Interesting times.

[HiTech RedNeck]

A “favor” of “get outta here” is kind of morally mixed. Though there are parallels such as the ancient “Let my people go” of Egypt.

[faithhopecharity]

Realistically, Israel wants normally good relations with all countries if possible, and big countries with tons of resources and significant military ... necessarily goes to the top of that wish list

and since O screws Israel every chance he gets, Israel has to look around for whatever else she can find these days....

and Russia’s military is now (thanks to O screwing up the place) big time in Syria, too

and that’s a big powerful military right next door to Israel

and there’s more, but... just adding that up....Bibi needs to make Israel’s Russia relations as good as he can
(no matter ideological differences)

[ETL]

Trump: Iran Deal Requires U.S. Protecting Iran in Event of Israeli Strike

by Jacob Kornbluh
Sept 2, 2015

In a phone interview with CNN Tuesday evening, Trump claimed that there's "something in the Iran deal" that "people don't understand" saying if someone attacks Iran, "we have to come to their defense."

"Does that include Israel?" Trump asked. "And most people say yes, they don't have an exclusion for Israel. So if Israel attacks Iran, according to that deal, I believe, the way it reads, unless they have a codicil or they have something to it, that we have to fight with Iran against Israel." ..."

Trump was most probably referring to language highlighted by the opponents of the deal. On page 142, the deal includes a clause that states, "Co-operation through training and workshops to strengthen Iran's ability to protect against, and respond to nuclear security threats, including sabotage, as well as to enable effective and sustainable nuclear security and physical protection systems."

Washington-based Center for Security Policy asserted that Annex III appears "to commit the United States and other world powers to the defense of Iran's nuclear program."

http://jpupdates.com/2015/09/02/trump-iran-deal-requires-u-s-protecting-iran-in-event-of-israeli-strike/
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Aug 2015...

[ETL]

Russian build-up in Syria part of secret deal with Iran's Quds Force leader

September 11, 2015
Jennifer Griffin, Lucas Tomlinson
FoxNews.com

As the Pentagon warily eyes a Russian military build-up in Syria, Western intelligence sources tell Fox News that the escalated Russian presence began just days after a secret Moscow meeting in late July between Iran's Quds Force commander - their chief exporter of terror - and Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Fox News has learned Quds head Qassem Soleimani and Putin discussed such a joint military plan for Syria at that meeting, an encounter first reported by Fox News in early August. ..."

The Quds Force is the international arm of Iran's Revolutionary Guard, involved in exporting terrorism to Iran's proxies throughout the Middle East including Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Yemen. ..."

Officials who have monitored the build-up say they've seen more than 1,000 Russian combatants - some of them from the same plainclothes Special Forces units who were sent to Crimea and Ukraine. Some of these Russian troops are logistical specialists and needed for security at the expanding Russian bases.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/11/russian-build-up-in-syria-part-secret-deal-with-irans-quds-force-leader/
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Pro-Hezbollah Paper: Russia, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah Form Alliance

Sept 23, 2015

A prominent pro-Hezbollah newspaper in Lebanon reported Tuesday that Russia and the terrorist organization have formed an alliance and will fight together in Syria. "The parties to the alliance are the states of Russia, Iran, Syria, and Iraq, with Lebanon's Hezbollah as the fifth party,"

Al-Akhbar Editor in Chief Ibrahim al-Amin wrote. The pact would be called the "4+1 alliance", a pun based on the P5+1 that negotiated the nuclear deal with Iran. Hezbollah is a proxy of Iran based in Lebanon and Moscow has been working with Tehran to save Bashar al-Assad's regime, even sending men and weapons to Syria.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/09/22/report-russia-partners-with-hezbollah.html
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From Real Clear Politics, Sept 10, 2015...

"In a 2014 New Yorker interview, Obama said his goal was to create a 'new equilibrium' in the Middle East.

In the short run, at least, his signature diplomatic undertaking can be counted on to bring more violence to this volatile region.

The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, as the [Obama-Putin Iran deal] agreement is formally known, provides the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism an infusion of somewhere in the neighborhood of $100 billion of unfrozen assets and a great deal more of continuing revenues as businesses and governments around the world rush to profit from oil-and-gas-rich Iran's reintegration into the world economy.

The agreement relaxes the international isolation of the Islamic Republic and ratifies Tehran's status as a nuclear threshold state. And it relieves restrictions on Iran's acquisition of weapons, including ballistic missiles. ..."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/09/10/iran_deal_throws_sparks_on_mideast_tinderbox_128034.html

[ETL]

He [Stalin] hoped that the creation of Israel would create chaos in the region and bring about the downfall of the British Empire.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if KGB/FSB Putin didn't play a significant role in the creation of ISIS, and for the same reasons: to create chaos and instability in the region, given them cover to step in and grab control of it.

[SJackson]

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Though dems often boast of Truman being the first to recognize Israel, the USSR was second and unlike the US, neither they nor their satellites were ever in doubt. And the Czechs were a major supplier of arms during the 1948 war, while the US participated in the boycott of Israel. The French too, surreptitiously, and some illegal shipments too from the US. However it was a strategic action, the USSR expecting Israel to fall into their sphere of influence. Which it didn't, while the Arab states did.

I suspect of late the immigration of a million plus Russians to Israel, including their participation in government, as and after the USSR collapsed is a bigger issue.

[Trumpinator]

And right now, Putin’s chief ally in the region is the entity that promises to wipe Israel off the map and chants “Death to Israel” as often as “Death to America”.

Did our beloved American ally Saudi Arabia suddenly become pro Zionist?

[Olog-hai]

False dilemma.

[Trumpinator]

9/11.

[Olog-hai]

Nonsequitur.

[Trumpinator]

All Muslim countries chant death to Israel - some of those are American allies. Heck, most of them are.

[Olog-hai]

Meaning they are all our enemies.

[Trumpinator]

Frenemies.

[Eleutheria5]

After 1948, hoever, the USSR used Czechoslovakia to defeat the UN arms blockade on the Middle East and ship arms to Egypt and Syria, and used anti-Israeli sentiment in the Arab world to get the Arab states into its orbit, which in turn scared Israel into American orbit. We have now come full circle again.

[rmlew]

This is misleading. Stalin never wanted to help create Israel. He wanted to co-opt and destroy it. His plan was to create a bi-national communist state as a beachhead for Soviet influence in the region. When it became clear that Israel would not be co-opted by the communists antisemites, the communists international moved to destroy Israel starting in 1951.