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Trump: You Should Ban Islamists, Not Muslims
Townhall.com ^ | December 13, 2015 | Daniel Pipes

Posted on 12/13/2015 7:05:40 PM PST by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin

He’s backtracking, just like a typical politician.


21 posted on 12/13/2015 7:32:48 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Kaslin

Now how are we supposed to decide who is an Islamist, and who just goes to mosque on Fridays and comes out and burns cars in France?


22 posted on 12/13/2015 7:34:11 PM PST by Glad2bnuts (How many DICC's are there in the Republican party? Democrats In Conservative Clothing that is.)
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To: Kaslin

There is so much visceral irrational hatred of Trump by the GOPe that they can’t present a cogent argument against him. Their emotions clouds their thinking.


23 posted on 12/13/2015 7:35:24 PM PST by be-baw (still seeking)
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To: Kaslin

I don’t believe most radical extremist muzzies carry I.D. cards identifying themselves as “radical extremist muzzie.” Liberals don’t get that.


24 posted on 12/13/2015 7:35:30 PM PST by boycott (--)
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To: Kaslin

Don’t usually find so much to disagree with Pipes about, but the most immediately glaring is:

“Violence is the headline topic relating to Muslims, ... “sudden jihad syndrome” lone wolves (San Bernardino)”

ALL the evidence so far points to there being absolutely nothing ‘sudden’ about Farook and Malik. Nothing.

And what other factor beyond being Muslim brings each and every one of these terror groups together? What other attraction is there? Not country. Not race. Not ethnicity. Just religion. We have to use that to winnow out those among the group who would kill us and destroy our way of life. Nothing else will work at all.


25 posted on 12/13/2015 7:37:29 PM PST by EDINVA (RIN)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Muzzies are muzzies are muzzies, black, white, brown or yellow.


26 posted on 12/13/2015 7:37:47 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: Kaslin

Stopped reading after saying plan is unconstitutional. Article 6 prohibition on religious test is for holding public office.


27 posted on 12/13/2015 7:38:18 PM PST by ironman
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To: Kaslin
You Should Ban Islamists, Not Muslims

Same-o same-o...

28 posted on 12/13/2015 7:38:39 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: Kaslin

I still don’t see what’s wrong with muslims living in muslim countries. Seems to me that works out better for everyone.


29 posted on 12/13/2015 7:40:04 PM PST by JudyinCanada
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To: Kaslin

I read today the Saudis are refusing Syrian refugees because of the risk. Saudi Arabia is a strict Muslim run country, am I right? So if they are a risk to a strict Muslim country WTF does this POTUS think they are to the USA? If there is ONE more terror attack on US soil by foreign Muslims, every last citizen should take that as a declaration of war against the people by the US government. Why? Because that’s EXACTLY what it is! There is NO reason for these animals to be in this country otherwise.


30 posted on 12/13/2015 7:40:37 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (B. Hussein Obama: 20 acts of Treason and counting.)
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To: Kaslin

Islam is not a religion. It is a world system.

ISLAM: RELIGION OF PEACE OR WAR
http://www.cbn.com/noindex/PCC/Islam-Religion-of-Peace-or-War-b.pdf

THE QUEST FOR GOD - ISLAM
Excellent documentary by Gordon Robertson
http://www1.cbn.com/video/the-quest-for-god-islam


31 posted on 12/13/2015 7:41:56 PM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lor)
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To: Kaslin

Why is Trump back peddling on this ?

Why is he retreating on this ?

Makes him look weak now.


32 posted on 12/13/2015 7:43:23 PM PST by American Constitutionalist ( because the Constitution matteHow canrs.)
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To: Kaslin

The doctrine divides humanity into the house of war, and the house of submission. Muslims are enjoined to “strive” against non-muslims to extend their empire and establish
sharia law.

All muslims adhere to these tenants, else they are not muslims .

Nazis believed fervently in their superiority and right to subjugate the rest of humanity and cull out the inferior genetic strains. This was a religious obligation, supplemented by a revival of Nordic religions.

I doubt that anyone would allow Nazis to immigrate without requiring they renounce their belief in genocide, world domination, etc. I see no difference with muslims.


33 posted on 12/13/2015 7:44:06 PM PST by tsomer
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To: Kaslin
1. I don't think it's unconstitutional. Freedom of religion applies to those who are already here. We can't (and don't have to) protect the freedoms of those not yet inside our borders.

Moreover, this country has banned anarchists and communists in the past. What about Freedom of Speech? Freedom of Assembly? Well, they didn't apply to non-citizens, therefore we could bar them.

2. Many Islamists start out as Moderate Muslims. They get recruited, they get... activated, I guess. Islam lays the foundation, then the Imam comes in and does a little tweaking. Next thing you know, the kid who was into anime and Xbox when he was 14 is tick-tick-boom.

34 posted on 12/13/2015 7:51:17 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Welfare: It's a Safety Net, Not a Hammock.)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Nah, he’s doing fine.


35 posted on 12/13/2015 7:52:08 PM PST by Lazamataz (It has gotten to the point where any report from standard news outlets must be fact-checked.)
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To: Kaslin

3.) If it’s unconstitutional to bar Muslims, how is it constitutional to bar one particular denomination of Muslims? It’s still a religion (allegedly.)


36 posted on 12/13/2015 7:52:21 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Welfare: It's a Safety Net, Not a Hammock.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Pipes i9 an appeaser and a fool? Islamists? Why not say Christianists while you're at it? Islam itself is a bad problem. It is also Christianity's most effective...competitor and it is on the march. Islam looks to dominate the world and has none of the Christian charity that Christians have. It must be stopped not this strawman of Islamism.
37 posted on 12/13/2015 7:52:45 PM PST by Stepan12 (Our present appeasementof Islam is the Stockholm Syndrome on steroids.)
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To: Kaslin

Forget that Islam is a religion for a minute. It is a world view, an encompassing way of life. It prescribes a form of government. It prescribes relations with non-Muslims.

Now if that world view is hostile to the essence of our nation, it is self-destructive folly to admit Muslims.

Take the deity and the super-natural out of it, and why shouldn’t we deny people with a hostile philosophy?

And what rights under our Constitution could foreign citizens in a foreign land possibly have?


38 posted on 12/13/2015 7:53:17 PM PST by heartwood
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Unconstitutional: Every Western basic law is secular, disallowing a religious test for immigration...

Article VI, paragraph 3, states "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

1) Becoming an immigrant is not being accepted for "an office or public trust under the United States."

2) Islam is not a religion, but a totalitarian political organization with religious claims. Further, the jihad and totalitarian political aspects cannot be separated from the religious aspects. Which means that accepting Islam is counter to the professed and declared purpose of the Constitution. Thus for the Constitution to be invoked to protect Islamic immigration, is to argue that the Constitution contains its own self-destruct mechanism, and protects that which would openly, deliberately and purposefully destroy it. This is completely illogical, goes against the existence of the Constitution itself, and thus cannot be accepted as a proper interpretation of Constitutional power regarding Muslims. Islam is the enemy of the United States of America and its Constitution, by its own declarations, teachings and acts. Period. And enemies should not be allowed into this country, and deported if they are found here, because they are enemies. Period.

3) You can use this info, Mr. Trump. The bottom line is inescapable - Islam is NOT a 1st Amendment religion. It can't be, because it's teachings go against the Constitution, and command the rejection of the country's founding ideals. Just remember to cite Talisker, and make a donation to FR.

39 posted on 12/13/2015 7:56:23 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Kaslin

Why is it unconstitutional to prohibit Muslims from entering the country? NO ONE has a “right” to enter our country. In fact your constitutional rights end at our border.


40 posted on 12/13/2015 7:57:03 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There's a right to gay marriage in the Constitution but there is no right of an unborn baby to life.)
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