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Ted Cruz vs. Marco Rubio: Did Cruz Support Legalization of illegals?
Multiple | 12/13/2015 | GPH

Posted on 12/13/2015 4:52:24 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans

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To: JoSixChip

The media have {intentionally} been ignoring Cruz.

If polls now start showing Cruz nearing front-runner status, he can expect the same kind of onslaught Carson got a few weeks ago.

The GOP establishment are as opposed to Cruz as they are to Trump, too.


21 posted on 12/13/2015 5:09:16 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

You rely on the New York Slimes and then have the nerve to diss Breitbart?
Why you are just a Leftist troll.


22 posted on 12/13/2015 5:11:02 PM PST by Happy Rain ("You might as well legalize sodomy as recognize the Bolsheviks." Winston Churchill 1919)
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To: TomGuy

Rush says the RINOs and Leftists hate Trump but they FEAR Cruz.


23 posted on 12/13/2015 5:12:56 PM PST by Happy Rain ("You might as well legalize sodomy as recognize the Bolsheviks." Winston Churchill 1919)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“TED CRUZ: Well, my view is first, we secure the borders and solve the problem of illegal immigration. And then I think we can have a conversation about what to do about the people who remain here.”

When liberals say, “Isn’t it about time we have a conversation on gun control” everyone knows what they have in mind. It is not loosening control on guns.

Similarly, when a politician says “let’s have a conversation about what to do with illegal immigrants already here” then you should know what he has in mind. It is not deportation. Same goes for “common sense” immigration changes.

“Have a conversation” is liberal-speak for persuading people against their will.


24 posted on 12/13/2015 5:13:20 PM PST by odawg
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; skeeter
This is what you're dealing with:

Freep link

25 posted on 12/13/2015 5:14:33 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ("A real conservative will bear the scars...will have been in the trenches fighting."--- Ted Cruz)
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To: Happy Rain
You rely on the New York Slimes and then have the nerve to diss Breitbart?

Well I didn't rely on the New York Slimes. I relied on multiple sources all saying the same thing, with direct quotes from Ted Cruz and an entire video of a speech available in one of the links.

It is what it is whether you like it or not.

26 posted on 12/13/2015 5:14:35 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I read the NYT article.

Trump’s blunt talk appeals to me. I really do wish Cruz were as blunt.

On the other hand in ‘12 Trump was condemning Romney for being too harsh on illegals. That disturbs me, too.

Both are good men. I wish Freepers would be satisfied supporting their own guy and stop trying to rip apart the other. It will end badly.


27 posted on 12/13/2015 5:15:01 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I can’t believe if he doesn’t want to do house-to-house searches throughout the nation by armed troops to round up housekeepers, construction workers and schoolchildren.

I can’t believe if he seems reluctant to create a special police force to take informers’ reports to root out nannies and dishwashers from our midst.


28 posted on 12/13/2015 5:15:13 PM PST by babble-on
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To: CatherineofAragon

Yikes


29 posted on 12/13/2015 5:15:59 PM PST by skeeter
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He’s on the Trump team.


30 posted on 12/13/2015 5:17:27 PM PST by duffee (CRUZ 2016)
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To: Happy Rain
Rush says the RINOs and Leftists hate Trump but they FEAR Cruz.

Rush is wrong, as Cruz is easy to destroy. Not only is he disingenuous on immigration, but also vulnerable on TPP and in his personal life. Cruz's father claims that his son is "annointed" to take control over society, among other things:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/12/11/creepy-business-ted-cruz-father-my-son-annointed-to-take-control-of-society-2/

Cruz's father is also provably a fraud. Virtually every part of his "testimony" and even career has significant problems.

It is not hard to do to Cruz what was done to Carson. Maybe even easier.

31 posted on 12/13/2015 5:19:21 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: duffee

He’s doing Don Trump no favors here.


32 posted on 12/13/2015 5:19:28 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (TED CRUZ. You can help: https://donate.tedcruz.org/c/FBTX0095/)
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To: skeeter

Yeppers


33 posted on 12/13/2015 5:20:50 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ("A real conservative will bear the scars...will have been in the trenches fighting."--- Ted Cruz)
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To: CatherineofAragon

I stand by every word! Try posting this link to Mark Levin’s facebook page or calling in about it. Levin won’t vet his candidates, but wants to pretend he’s an authority on conservatives, giving fake “Conservative Ratings” that are mostly wishful thinking combined with selective reporting.


34 posted on 12/13/2015 5:21:24 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: skeeter
The article is not dishonest BS, it's where Cruz is on immigration. He has said it in subtle ways that he will not deport those already here.

Reporter asks Ted Cruz four times: “How do you define amnesty?”

A path to legal status, but not to citizenship. A green card with no right to naturalization.

How much more of a threat will illegals be once they have legal status? How many entitlements will they qualify for ? And will they vote, if not right away, down the road with new legislation to let those with legal status cast a ballot?

35 posted on 12/13/2015 5:22:12 PM PST by Kenny (RED)
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To: Kenny

Anyone interested can look at Cruz’s legislative record on illegal immigration, in its entirety, in the proper context, and make up their own minds. I already have.


36 posted on 12/13/2015 5:24:53 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Happy Rain

That is his opinion, does not make it a fact.


37 posted on 12/13/2015 5:26:31 PM PST by dforest
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To: skeeter

We all know Trump has flip flipped. And we all know Trump has been trashed for it 24/7/180 since announcing. And you know what, nobody but nobody complains about it.

Some people start digging in the Cruz’s background and finds out he’s not been pristine on issues, and all of a sudden it’s, “Can’t we all get along.”

The Trump folks were asking for that for six months before I finally had had enough and started looking around on Cruz.

BTW: I have never seen Cruz called Hitler or had someone refer to him as the home boys in deliverance or his supporters referred to as his victims.


38 posted on 12/13/2015 5:29:25 PM PST by DoughtyOne (I support President Pre-elect Donald J. Trump. Karl Rove, the GOPe, and Leftist's worst nightmare.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Your insignificant Leftist opinion vs Rush.
Well, no need to go further trolly.


39 posted on 12/13/2015 5:30:04 PM PST by Happy Rain ("You might as well legalize sodomy as recognize the Bolsheviks." Winston Churchill 1919)
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To: DoughtyOne
You touched on the key and didn’t even realize it.

That isn't the key for anyone who says "No Amnesty No exceptions", and that's who I was addressing. Cruz wants a wall and a lot more agents at the border, certainly with different rules of engagement. He hasn't suggested mass deportation in the same manner that Trump has. I don't know if Cruz has committed to "in place" legalization. It is not his signature issue, so he has not gotten as detailed about the post "secure the border" aspects. For Cruz, the focus has to be on plugging the hole before bailing out the water. Trump wants to do both pretty much simultaneously.

Neither man will make friends with the illegal alien community. Cruz can work out details better, and Trump is better positioned (if he wins) to get what he wants through sheer force of personality combined with the reasonable assertion that he would have a mandate to do what he said, especially on this issue.

You will see a nationwide version of what happened with good Governor Walker a few years ago, concentrating on DC, Los Angeles, and parts of the border. Either a Trump or a Cruz can stand up to that.
40 posted on 12/13/2015 5:31:10 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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