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Donald Trump the Conversation Starter: Now That He's Brought the Issue of Muslim Immigration up ...
National Review ^ | 12/07/2015 | By Mark Krikorian

Posted on 12/08/2015 6:39:49 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: zipper

Trump is right why just iraq and syria….


41 posted on 12/08/2015 7:34:33 AM PST by Hojczyk
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To: I want the USA back
Even Judge Napolitano on Fox Business is saying it is unconstitutional to stop immigration of muslims. This article contradicts that and I agree it is permissible to stop them from coming. No one has Constitutional rights until they get here. They have no right to come in. What is going on here?

He not a real Judge the law it self states you MUST consider Religion.

I never seen a person attacking Trump cite the poll where by over 20% of voters want the same thing.

42 posted on 12/08/2015 7:35:16 AM PST by scooby321
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To: TigerClaws

It is not rocket science to care about who comes into the country. Trump is the only candidate who is living up to his pledge to base his decisions on what is good for the common man (person if you like) in America.

It is high time for a pause until our leadership addresses this issue.


43 posted on 12/08/2015 7:42:18 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (California engineer (ret) and ex-teacher (ret) now part time Professor (what do you know?))
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To: SeekAndFind
There are quite a few elephants in the room, yet no one in the GOPe, and certainly no one in the one-stream media, seems to notice them as they all deftly step around them, and all the while chastising anyone who does notice and dares to say anything.

We, the people, have been played to a stalemate and our most promising ballot box remedies have been effectively eunuchized, decommissioned or assimilated.

A hopelessly bleak situation, to be sure.

Then, all of a sudden, Trump walks in and says what the rest of America isn't allow to say and the buzzing, chattering, nattering nabobs of negativism that control our nation's inner dialog go ballistic, followed shortly thereafter by their low orbit detonations!

I still have my political questions, but this is THE BEST freaking fireworks show I've seen in forever, and some of the most entertaining reality TV, yet!

I suspect the test audience viewers will want this pilot episode to turn into regular series in the fall. I bet it will run for quite a few seasons, too.

44 posted on 12/08/2015 7:43:47 AM PST by GBA (Just a hick in paradise and There Are FOUR Lights!)
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To: SeekAndFind

CLOSE BORDER
DEPORT GANGS, MEXICANS, MUSLIMS, ANY OTHER THIRLD WORLD INVADERS THAT HAVE COME OVER INCLUSING THE MILLIONS OF DOMINICANS THAT HAVE RUNINED MANY AREAS WITH CRIME AND WELFARE AND DRUGS.


45 posted on 12/08/2015 7:44:59 AM PST by angcat
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To: TigerClaws

Trump is definitely setting the debate. No one can deny it (even Cruz supporters, such as myself).

Trump makes “outrageous” claims about a wall and deporting illegals and the outraged media fall over themselves to highlight Trump’s buffoonery. To their shock, the media find that Americans agree with Trump.

Instead of the debate being about the steps needed to legalize the illegals and just how many benefits they should receive at tax payer expense, Trump caused a seismic shift in the debate as it is now covered.

Then it was dealing with Syria and terrorists overseas. Trump said bomb the shiite out of them. Crudely delivered, maybe, but very effective no matter how you cut it. The media shook their collective heads along with the politicians and dismissed Trump. He was done for. The people, however, as reflected in the polls immediately afterwards, once again agreed. Then the debate focused on what steps, exactly, ARE we taking and why is US policy so ineffective? Maybe we should be bombing he shiite out of them?

Next, Trump wants to go after the families of terrorists. This was it! The media had him now! Politicians could join the media in a giant, leg tingling, group gotcha! moment. Except, after the fact, it is pointed out that this is a somewhat effective technique used by Israel, a country that is no stranger to terrorism. Now the debate shifts to exactly what did he mean? What responsibility do the families have? Can we, in fact go after families? How outrageous is it to even say something this outrageous? Yes, the debate shifted.

Now, Trump wants to halt the flow of muslims into the United States. The media and politicians of all stripes, with a few notable exceptions, are busy seeing who can decry Trump’s statement the loudest. Meanwhile, millions of Americans are slapping themselves on their foreheads and yelling at their TVs because they, the millions of Americans, have been saying it for years because it is just common sense. This is a topic that would have largely gone unnoticed by those who are accustomed to setting the topics of discussion.

Yes, Trump controls the debate. The more the media and the politicians debate what Trump said and meant to define just how unlike mainstream America his statements are, he controls the debate even more. When much of what Trump says is found to be a simple, unoffensive, commonsense opinion held by a majority of the American people, the media doesn’t even have time to back-peddle before Trump sets the next topic of debate.


46 posted on 12/08/2015 7:47:06 AM PST by FerociousRabbit
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To: SeekAndFind

If the poll is correct that says 25% of Muslims in America have ill thoughts about us then we Americans have a huge problem with them.


47 posted on 12/08/2015 7:48:59 AM PST by cymbeline
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To: Hojczyk; Big Horn
Trump is right.

But I have little hope that he will be able to convince enough voters to go along with such a ban.

This is what it will take, and I hate to say it, or even think it: WE WILL HAVE TO SUFFER A MUCH BIGGER ATTACK THAN 9/11 TO WAKE PEOPLE UP.

ISIS says their goal is 10,000,000 dead. I think they could do it in one stroke with the right WMDs -- nuclear WMDs. It's clear to me it would have to be an attack that scores orders of magnitude greater casualties than 9/11, because clearly we have not learned to protect ourselves, even after the greatest attack since Pearl Harbor.

No, I think it will take an attack with at least 100,000 deaths for Americans to come to their senses.

---

Dec. 4 2015 interview, Michael Savage interviews Walid Shebat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUOfshiJxO0

48 posted on 12/08/2015 7:51:30 AM PST by zipper (In their heart of hearts, all Democrats are communists)
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To: zipper

Shoebat not Shebat


49 posted on 12/08/2015 8:01:24 AM PST by zipper (In their heart of hearts, all Democrats are communists)
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To: SeekAndFind

Trump not only lowered a bomb yesterday about not letting Muslims in until we can find out what is going on and who they really are...

But, he woke up some more people, after the P.C.ness that we have been led to believe finally shakes off of you, then you realize what he has really done...

He’s telling us to prepare for another 9/11, that’s its coming if we don’t stop for a pause and listen and look around...

So believe him and prepare, or go on with your lives and then we’ll maybe talk about it after it happens, that is if you and I are still around...

Here’s a little tid bit for you to read:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks


50 posted on 12/08/2015 8:03:36 AM PST by HarleyLady27 (TRUMP SUPPORTER 100% from day ONE!!!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

They must have Hitlery on some meds so she doesn’t come across as such a tight a$$ tyrant.


51 posted on 12/08/2015 8:05:53 AM PST by uncitizen (Pray for Donald Trump)
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To: SeekAndFind

The media is not telling the complete story on what Trump said. Once again they are only quoting part of what he said to make him look bad. This is going to backfire on them and others that have been critical of what he said in the statement.


52 posted on 12/08/2015 8:06:35 AM PST by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: TruthWillWin

Sooner or later a discussion of part of his statement, a high percentage of Muslims support ISIS and an even higher support Shari law, is sorta like the emperor has no clothes and no one has the guts to bring it up.


53 posted on 12/08/2015 8:09:59 AM PST by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: cymbeline

We can look at London and France to see where massive Muslim immigration leads. They have their host countries and people and don’t hide it at all. They are like termites in the country’s business and power structure eating away at the dignity and rights of Christians and natives.

In the US our Federal government uses Muslims to advise in the war on terror. First rule they are taught: Don’t make the Muslims mad by going after terrorists nor the radical aspects of Islam. Go after those violent Christians, Jews, Vets, etc. Israel is the enemy, not Syria, etc. And our political leaders repeat their proclamations like they are in church joining in prayer. They are scared to death to let the truth hit their minds and lips. It’s sickening.


54 posted on 12/08/2015 8:14:58 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: TruthWillWin
--- an even higher support Shari law ---

Sharia law supplants all other law. It cannot coexist with our legal system. Its implementation would represent an overthrow of our form of government.

In most Mohammedan countries, more than half the population demands the implementation of Sharia. In the United States, this would represent treason.

If we had a sane judiciary we could bar their entry based on the principle of treason.

Regardless, it should be politically possible to limit the number of immigrants from terrorist-supporting countries.

55 posted on 12/08/2015 8:16:55 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: don-o

“I cannot trust Trump. My first red flag with him was when he said that he had never felt the need to ask God’s forgiveness for anything.

There’s something wrong about the core mindset of the man. A man who is unable to come to grips with his own weakness (common to mankind) is a dangerous man to put in power. “

What does asking God’s forgiveness have to do with coming to grips with weakness? People can’t fix their issues without expressing guilt and remorse to a perceived higher power?


56 posted on 12/08/2015 8:23:50 AM PST by ConservativeWarrior (Fall down 7 times, stand up 8. - Japanese proverb)
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To: SaraJohnson

“We can look at London and France to see where massive Muslim immigration leads.”

Yes, and I’d say you don’t solve the Muslim problem with anything short of superior force and eliminating the ones deadly in their actions and thinking.


57 posted on 12/08/2015 8:35:26 AM PST by cymbeline
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To: HarleyLady27

Concur with you 100% on this, HarleyLady27.
People are getting all bothered as if there is some downside to temporarily halting Muslim influx into the country.
Taking time to pause, observe, and level-set is reasonable an the kind of leadership we would wish from a POTUS.

58 posted on 12/08/2015 10:16:30 AM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: scooby321
Even Judge Napolitano on Fox Business is saying it is unconstitutional to stop immigration of muslims. This article contradicts that and I agree it is permissible to stop them from coming. No one has Constitutional rights until they get here.

Exactly! That's why we keep terrorist detainees at Gitmo, instead of bringing them to the USA.

If we brought them here they'd have constitutional rights. But as detainees they're enemy combatants, without constitutional protections. It's also why drone strikes conducted on terrorists overseas are conducted with more freedom than, say, a drone strike on a terrorist in the mosque parking lot in the USA.

59 posted on 12/08/2015 12:14:02 PM PST by zipper (In their heart of hearts, all Democrats are communists)
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To: SeekAndFind

Gitmo would make a great new Ellis Is.

Just sayin.

5.56mm


60 posted on 12/08/2015 12:25:01 PM PST by M Kehoe
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