Posted on 11/14/2015 7:53:45 AM PST by Biggirl
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) has boxed Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) into a corner on immigration. Cruz has come out guns-a-blazing against Rubio all week, firing first and escalating the battle every time Rubio has responded.
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Rubio is finished, he just doesn’t know it yet.
Cruz will kill Rubio on substance on schedule.
Cruz has a plan for every step. All is just execution.
Cruz and his team are lying about his support for legalization in 2013. In this instance, I do NOT want Team Cruz to successfully revise history, even if its at the expense of Marco Rubio, another amnesty pimp. Cruz is hoping to get away with this with the help of uncritical "conservative" media. He needs to be held to account. Fortunately, Cruz cannot hide from You Tube, nor from the interviews he's given. I just hope that the "conservative" echo chamber does not drown out the truth and prop up this deception:
"And I'd like to make a final point to those advocacy groups that are very engaged in this issue and rightly concerned about addressing our immigration system, and in particular about addressing the situation for the 11 million who are currently in the shadows. If this amendment is adopted to the current bill the effect would be that those 11 million under this current bill would still be eligible for RPI status.** They would still be eligible for legal status and indeed under the terms of the bill they would be eligible for LPR status as well, so that they are out of the shadows, which the proponents of this bill repeatedly point to as their principle objective -- to provide a legal status for those who are here illlegally to be out of the shadows. This amendment would allow that to happen."
"And a second point to those advocacy groups that are so passionately engaged. In my view if this committee rejects this amendment, and I think everyone here views it as quite likely this committee will choose to reject this amendment, in my view that decision will make it much, much more likely that this entire bill will fail in the House of Representantives. I don't want immigration reform to fail. I want immigration reform to pass, and so I would urge people of good faith on both sides of the aisle, if the objective is to pass common sense immigration reform that secures the borders, that improves legal immigration, and that allows those who are here illegally to come in out of the shadows, then we should look for areas of bipartisan agreement and compromise to come together and this amendment -- I believe if this amendment were to pass the chances of this bill passing into law would increase dramatically, and so I would urge the committee to give it full consideration and to adopt the amendment."
http://www.kausfiles.com/2015/05/21/cruz-and-amnesty-round-ii-the-telltale-video/
Oh please. You sound not only weird but derranged and pro-establishment.
You never give up with this crap, do you? By God, it is tiresome.
See that "Pro-Establishment" thing makes you look stupid. I've been talking about this for months on FR. When even National Review is defending Cruz's bonafides, you have to wonder whether or not they see in Cruz the last answer to Donald Trump if Ben Carson falters. What's really deranged is accepting the whole "Cruz was lying back then and didn't really mean anything he said, in any interview, anywhere" line of argument.
CHUCK TODD: You still didn't say what you’d do with the 11 million.
TED CRUZ: Well, my view is first, we secure the borders and solve the problem of illegal immigration. And then I think we can have a conversation about what to do about the people who remain here. I don’t think the American people will accept any solution until we demonstrate step number one, we can secure the border.
CHUCK TODD: So anything's on the table? Potentially deportation or not deportation, but anything’s on the table for the 11 million-
TED CRUZ: I think we should secure the border and then have a conversation at that point. Stop using the Washington approach of I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today. The American people aren’t going for it.
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/07/05/ted-flops-cruz-falls-asked-solve-immigration-problem.html
These kinds of replies by Ted Cruz don't square with the idea that Cruz never supported the granting of legal status. We shouldn't have to vote for someone first to find out what they'll do about the illegals already here.
Your comment is on the money, but you’ll only succeed in engaging yourself in a mind-bending exercise in illogic with this guy. Save your breath. He’s not amenable to reason.
“The current intramural battle over immigration policy among GOP 2016 hopefuls, a most welcome and most necessary controversy, is a useful example of why the Senate is such a tough place from which to run for president. Few senators make it , only John F. Kennedy and Barack Obama in the last 60 years , and only after short Capitol Hill stints that yield thin voting records. The reason is clear: To be a good legislator and to move public opinion on important issues, a senator sometimes must make proposals that, taken out of context, can distort the senator’s overarching position, creating the illusion that he favors what he clearly opposes, and vice versa. No one should know this better than Senator Marco Rubio. Yet Rubio, a major culprit when it comes to foolish immigration policy, is now straining to defend his walk on the wild side by misrepresenting the record of his rival, Senator Ted Cruz.
“Cruz has cast himself as the Republican field’s most consistent voice against “amnesty” for illegal aliens. Yet Rubio, with an assist from former Senator Rick Santorum, claims that Cruz has actually advocated granting legal status to illegal aliens. Taken out of context, the charge seems colorable. But under the circumstances as they actually occurred, the proposal Cruz made was a case of intelligent legislating designed to expose the fraudulence of the pro amnesty position. It was, in this way, reminiscent of smart legislating by Rubio (and, for that matter, by Cruz) that highlighted the folly of President Obama’s Iran deal. It would be disingenuous to portray Rubio, an ardent Irandeal opponent, as an Iran deal supporter on this basis. Yet that is exactly what Rubio is trying to do to Cruz on immigration.”
This entire point is lost on some. Waaay over their heads, it is a waste of time trying to engage them on the issue.
Cruz added poison pills to the bill AND was able to show the amnesty pimps as liars at the same time.
Brilliant.
He stopped the bill with poison pills. He proved amnesty pumps as liars. And you think that’s a bad thing?
Lol
The reality is, after what happened last night, the only two good GOP canidiates out there are Trump and Cruz.
Anyone who tries to match wits with Ted Cruz will be sadly disappointed after it is over.
You nailed it.
It's a bad thing when Cruz misrepresents his opposition to include opposition to the granting of legal status. Cruz never opposed legal status. Never rejected legal status. And in multiple interviews throughout this campaign cycle wouldn't rule out granting legal status when directly asked.
If the Democrats were smart, they would have voted for Ted Cruz's amendments so that it could pass in the House. Instead of talking about deportation this year, we would have been talking about granting citizenship to the 40 million "former" illegals marching in the streets.
Because the Democrats lacked patience, they lost their big chance.
I would never want you on my team because you are determined to shoot someone who has effectively fought for you. You are being deliberately obtuse and refusing to consider all of the evidence that we have shown you that these amendments where a critical part of the strategy that Sen. Cruz, Sen. Sessions and the rest of the conservatives used to defeat amnesty. Would you rather that Sen. Cruz had simply sat back and done nothing to fight it like your hero, Donald Trump.
Sure thing u win. I give up.
Cruz is my senator, and if he's not doing what we sent him there to do he should be replaced by a more conservative candidate. Cruz might have sold out the entire country already as it is, just to bring Fast Track to the floor, and even voted against an amendment that would have required Congress to approve or deny China if it attempted to join TPP. Now China can join TPP anytime it wants to.
If some other candidate comes around here in Texas to replace Cruz in the senate, I will support that candidate over Ted Cruz. And, of course, after witnessing his deception on immigration, I will NOT support him for the Presidency, and will just stay home on election day.
You are being deliberately obtuse
But that's a lie.
I'm being told on this forum that Cruz didn't support legal status, even though I have multiple quotations from Cruz showing that he did support it. I'm being told that he wasn't "really" supporting legalization, even though he went in front of cameras or went to journalists and boasted that his amendments to the Gang of Eight bill "never undermined the underlying work permits" of that bill, and that he opposed deportation and even "self-deportation."
You have to be really, really, really stupid to buy this crap from our so-called "conservative" media and our so-called "true conservative" candidate!
It's been documented for you that Cruz fought against "legalization status" in 2014 and he called it amnesty.
You don’t understand that the whole point of the amendments was to be able to demonstrate in the press that the gang of eight didn’t want legalization but instead would only settle for immigration. Thus he made press statements talking about how his amendments would give legalization but not citizenship. He did this knowing that his amendments would be rejected and thus create a wedge between the most hardline amnesty supporters like Rubio and wavering conservatives who were debating whether or not to support the gang of eight bill. His strategy worked and the gang of eight bill was defeated. Maybe you would have preferred that he made a futile speech against amnesty and then sat on the sidelines and allowed it too pass.
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