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To: jimbo123

As the Fox talking heads observed, Bush and Kasich are the two Wall Street Bankers on the stage. Their explanation of banking was even worse than immigration. We can’t criticize the content of their banking comment because nobody has a clue what they were saying.

But on immigration they avoided the reality that this country is split on immigration. We attend church and live beside illegals, and sometimes with them. They work hard and appear to be good Christians.

If the government moved against these illegals, most Catholic, mainline, pentecostal and some evangelical churches would become santuaries. Our troops would be invading churches in massive numbers. The public would not stand for it.

Here in Atlanta I’ve attended 8 or 9 Catholic and 6 or 7 Evangelical churches. Except for First Baptist of Atlanta, I’m certain that both the Catholic and Evangelical churches I’ve attended would all harbor and protect illegals. No doubt about it.

In IT I’ve worked beside many illegals. They joke about how they lost one immigration status and their status is “in progress”. I don’t know many citizen co-workers who would actively support deportation if it came to their friend and co-worker. Most would not want to get involved and do like Pilate. But some would actively oppose and protect the illegals.

The fact is that massive deportation is not going to happen. Our country is split on this issue and will not fight a civil war over it.

What we should do is focus on the 10% of immigrants (both legal and illegal) who are undesireable. Deport those taking welfare. No immigrant, legal or illegal, should come here for welfare. And, of course, target supporters of terrorism and those who oppose the first amendment, and oppose our constitution,. And, of course, target murderers, rapists, Dui drivers.


17 posted on 11/11/2015 6:42:38 AM PST by spintreebob
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To: spintreebob

You really think only 10% are taking welfare. California alone has millions and millions.


20 posted on 11/11/2015 6:47:42 AM PST by ilgipper
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To: spintreebob
The fact is that massive deportation is not going to happen. Our country is split on this issue and will not fight a civil war over it.

There are other choices besides mass deportation or a blanket amnesty. Attrition thru enforcement works. We have empirical evidence that it does. Why should we reward the lawbreakers with the object of their crime? When you reward something, you get more of it. We had a one-time amnesty in 1986 that was supposed to solve the problem. The USG estimated that 1 million would apply, but the true number turned out to be 2.7 million. We now have 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. Now we are being told that legalizing them will solve the problem. Nonsense. Why the urgency for legalization?

But on immigration they avoided the reality that this country is split on immigration. We attend church and live beside illegals, and sometimes with them. They work hard and appear to be good Christians.

Working hard does not mean you get to stay after breaking multiple laws. In addition to entering this country illegally, they have committed multiple crimes including working illegally, tax evasion, ID theft, lying on employment forms, misusing SSNs, etc.

What kind of message does this send to the 4 million intending immigrants waiting overseas for their turn to enter legally. They have completed all the paperwork including background checks, physicals etc. How fair is it to allow the illegal aliens to jump the line and be allowed to stay and work here? What about the Rule of Law?

What we should do is focus on the 10% of immigrants (both legal and illegal) who are undesireable. Deport those taking welfare. No immigrant, legal or illegal, should come here for welfare. And, of course, target supporters of terrorism and those who oppose the first amendment, and oppose our constitution,. And, of course, target murderers, rapists, Dui drivers.

Deport those who are taking welfare? LOL. It is far more than 10%.

There are an estimated 2 million criminal aliens in this country. A 2011 GAO report details the following:

The number of criminal aliens in federal prisons in fiscal year 2010 was about 55,000, and the number of SCAAP criminal alien incarcerations in state prison systems and local jails was about 296,000 in fiscal year 2009 (the most recent data available), and the majority were from Mexico.

Based on our random sample, GAO estimates that the criminal aliens had an average of 7 arrests, 65 percent were arrested at least once for an immigration offense, and about 50 percent were arrested at least once for a drug offense. Immigration, drugs, and traffic violations accounted for about 50 percent of arrest offenses. About 90 percent of the criminal aliens sentenced in federal court in fiscal year 2009 (the most recently available data) were convicted of immigration and drug-related offenses. About 40 percent of individuals convicted as a result of DOJ terrorism-related investigations were aliens. SCAAP criminal aliens incarcerated in selected state prison systems in Arizona, California, Florida, New York, and Texas were convicted of various offenses in fiscal year 2008 (the most recently available data at the time of GAO's analysis). The highest percentage of convictions for criminal aliens incarcerated in four of these states was for drug-related offenses. Homicide resulted in the most primary offense convictions for SCAAP criminal aliens in the fifth state--New York--in fiscal year 2008. GAO estimates that costs to incarcerate criminal aliens in federal prisons and SCAAP reimbursements to states and localities ranged from about $1.5 billion to $1.6 billion annually from fiscal years 2005 through 2009;

The same report included the fact that 25,000 criminal aliens were charged with homicide.

Where do we draw the line on deportation? We already deport hundreds of thousands of illegals every year even under the lax enforcement under Obama. Is it a question of numbers? We can deport the 2 million criminal aliens but we cannot deport the other lawbreakers? BS. You violate our laws and you suffer the consequences. No country on earth has a policy that immigrants can self-select where they wish to live without regard to the laws of the country.

30 posted on 11/11/2015 7:05:19 AM PST by kabar
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To: spintreebob

All the government has to do is stop the money, and control the border. When the money dries up, illegals will blow away like dried leaves back to their home countries. Which they love, by the way.

They didn’t come here because they love America and want to make America great. They came here to get money. It’s as simple as that. Stop feeding them and they will return all by themselves, same way they got here.


32 posted on 11/11/2015 7:10:58 AM PST by ecomcon
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To: spintreebob

You do understand that this is not the second to the last chance to deport the illegals—it is the last chance to deport the illegals.

after this americans lose all power to control the borders.

why?

because even if you can temporarily shut the borders —the illegals who become citizens will all go to the democrat party which will in turn open the borders again to another wave of illegals so the dems can get still more votes.

most of the newcomers like most of the current crop — will go on the government dole where the democrats can lock in their vote.

Your tax dollar at work —until the money runs out. then there’s hell to pay.

the point is you either pay now or pay later.


48 posted on 11/11/2015 8:30:52 AM PST by ckilmer (q)
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To: spintreebob

Why just focus on 10%? THEY ARE ALL ILLEGAL. Illegal means they broke our law.


55 posted on 11/12/2015 3:22:31 AM PST by Lumper20 ( clown in Chief has own Gov employees Gestapo)
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