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To: jjotto
Ishmael eventually repents while Esau remains hard-hearted.

I think that we are seeing some of that hard-heartedness here - not that most people on this thread are being unkind, mind you (they most certainly aren't), but their steadfast defense of Christianity's historical crimes related to and originating with many attempts to convert Jews is a bit disturbing to me, as a Jew (and, frankly, to me as just a plain old human being).

Historically speaking, Christianity has made an incredible effort over the course of nearly 2 millenia to convert the Jews, to bring "the Good News" to the Jewish people. I'd say that this means that they have, as a group, obeyed the word of their scriptures to spread the word. But, since that effort has led to nothing but heartache, misery and massacres on a scale that dwarf anything historical that ever appeared in the Bible, maybe it is time for a change. After all, insanity is defined as doing the same thing, over and over again, and still expecting a different result. I believe that it is time for Christians as a whole to say:

"Hey, we had the very best of intentions, and gave it our very best shot for nearly 2,000 years to convert the Jews, but given the really horrible unintended consequences that resulted from that effort, maybe we should just let the Jews be themselves, practice the same religion that Jesus practiced and believed in, and let them live in peace for once. We owe them that much, at least."

169 posted on 11/09/2015 10:25:14 AM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Ancesthntr

BTW, this isn’t Bachmann’s first opinion on the topic:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3279496/posts


170 posted on 11/09/2015 10:29:38 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Ancesthntr

The “problem” is (well it’s not really a “problem” but to those who do not wish to be evangelized it might be perceived as such) Christians can’t “leave Jews alone” (or really anyone alone). This is because evangelization is (supposed) to be an act of love, sharing what was discovered, or really Who was encountered (Jesus Christ) with his (the Christian’s) fellow man. To ask “just leave us alone” is akin to asking someone to not say anything if they just discover nuclear fusion, or life on another planet, or, well really that God Himself is alive and with us now in this age, in a real, tangible way.

That’s how it’s supposed to be. Now of course there are many, including Nazi’s of course, who call themselves Christian and are nothing of the sort. And they are a scandal. Not much that can be done about that though, free will and all that.


180 posted on 11/09/2015 12:49:37 PM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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