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Volkswagen also lied about its gas-powered cars
engadget. ^ | 11/3/2015 | Jessica Conditt

Posted on 11/04/2015 5:39:00 AM PST by thackney

Volkswagen admitted in September that it used defeat devices aimed at fooling emissions tests in 11 million of its diesel vehicles -- but now its gasoline models are implicated in the scandal as well. On Tuesday, Volkswagen reported that it understated the level of carbon dioxide emissions of about 800,000 vehicles, including gasoline-powered models. This is the first confirmation that some of Volkswagen's gasoline-run vehicles do in fact exceed carbon dioxide emissions. The company didn't provide details in today's revelation, but it said the conclusion comes after conducting internal emissions tests.

Volkswagen reported its findings after the markets in Europe closed on Tuesday. In October, Volkswagen reported a quarterly loss of $3.84 billion, its first deficit in 15 years. The scandal forced Volkswagen CEO Martin Winterkorn to resign, though he maintained he knew nothing about the defeat devices in his company's diesel models. Other top Volkswagen employees can't claim the same ignorance: American group CEO Michael Horn said he knew of a "possible emissions non-compliance" issue in spring 2014, before the Environmental Protection Agency started looking into it. Other reports claim Volkswagen's "top circles" knew about the cars' high carbon dioxide emissions as far back as 2007.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: automakers; energy; gasoline; volkswagen; vw
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1 posted on 11/04/2015 5:39:00 AM PST by thackney
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People keep stating “defeat devices”, this was a software function, not a device in the true sense of the term.

Oversimplifications like this drive me a bit batty.


2 posted on 11/04/2015 5:40:51 AM PST by jurroppi1 (The only thing you "pass to see what's in it" is a stool sample. h/t MrB)
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Anyone out there believe that VW was the only automaker doing this?

When CAFE standards come up against the limits of the Laws of Thermodynamics, something’s gotta give.


3 posted on 11/04/2015 5:43:11 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: thackney

This makes me want to buy a VW !!


4 posted on 11/04/2015 5:47:40 AM PST by precisionshootist
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“Anyone out there believe that VW was the only automaker doing this?”

Anyone out there believe that GM Volt’s biggest fan isn’t using the full might of US espionage to hurt its competitors?


5 posted on 11/04/2015 5:49:29 AM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: thackney
The perfect combustion of hydrocarbons in an oxygen atmosphere results in water and carbon dioxide.

HC+O2=H2O+CO2

It is impossible to reduce the amount of carbon dioxide without reducing the amount of hydrocarbon burned, while at the same time keeping the amount of nitrous oxides low.

6 posted on 11/04/2015 5:51:09 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: precisionshootist

Just what I was thinking. They might be selling for deep discounts about now.


7 posted on 11/04/2015 5:51:42 AM PST by Daveinyork ("Trusting government with money and power is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys",)
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To: thackney

Everybody does it. Isn’t that the excuse floated to keep President Clinton from being impeached?


8 posted on 11/04/2015 5:52:58 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The goal of Socialism is Communism. Marx and Lenin were in agreement on this.)
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"Anyone out there believe that VW was the only automaker doing this?"

Didn't I read some where that VW's only us (non-union)manufacturing plant in the US was facing some kind of union vote this week?

A little applied vote thuggery maybe?
9 posted on 11/04/2015 5:54:41 AM PST by John 3_19-21 (The media's blackout of Ted Cruz is his greatest endorsement ! Cruz or Lose.)
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To: thackney
Oh please...the biggest polluter coming out of Germany is Merkel.

Still, if some greener wants to dump his/her/it's evil TDI for pennies on the dollar, I'll sacrifice my health and take the smoke-filled cancer-cart off their hands.

10 posted on 11/04/2015 6:01:24 AM PST by RckyRaCoCo
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To: thackney

Don’t Democrats also release carbon dioxide?


11 posted on 11/04/2015 6:03:57 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to irritate someone, point out something obvious they are trying hard to ignore.)
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And not just BE.


12 posted on 11/04/2015 6:04:44 AM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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any company that plays the EPA with their own game is a company I like. I’m a VW fan now


13 posted on 11/04/2015 6:05:13 AM PST by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: Yo-Yo

Nothing is impossible in a completely politicized government.


14 posted on 11/04/2015 6:06:21 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: cuban leaf

BE= VW


15 posted on 11/04/2015 6:06:51 AM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: thackney

I had a 2000 VW Jetta. One time the Check Engine light started flashing. When the light is flashing and not full On it indicates an emission problem.

I took the car to the dealer and they told me one of the emission variables had exceeded the set limit. They told me there was a TSB from VW that instructed them to update the ECU software to change the limit.

I forget exactly when this happened but the car was probably about 8 years old with at least 60K miles on it when this happened.

Over time I think we will find this problem goes way back and affects almost every VW sold for a very long time.


16 posted on 11/04/2015 6:07:10 AM PST by alephnull (Islam is not a religion of peace. It is a cult of death.)
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To: FunkyZero

Same here.


17 posted on 11/04/2015 6:07:25 AM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Irrelevant since there are ways of after treatment that reduces NOx to specified levels, which is the industry standard.


18 posted on 11/04/2015 6:12:56 AM PST by bigbob
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So now that CO2 has been declared a poisonous gas we need to root out all sources.


19 posted on 11/04/2015 6:14:44 AM PST by Candymaker (Theobroma- food of the gods)
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Volkswagen cars are so behind the times technology-wise. The 2015 Passat is where others were 10 years ago. When I was looking for a retirement car, VW wasn't even on my radar, nor did I waste my time test driving one.
20 posted on 11/04/2015 6:17:36 AM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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