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1 posted on 10/27/2015 3:39:38 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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How well does the SAT correlate with IQ testing?


2 posted on 10/27/2015 3:45:47 PM PDT by Paladin2 (my non-desktop devices are no longer allowed to try to fix speling and punctuation, nor my gran-mah.)
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Soon the only requirement needed to enter college will be the ability to color inside of the lines.

And shortly after that happens someone will claim that certain ethnicities cannot manage it.

The nonsense never ends.

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3 posted on 10/27/2015 3:46:02 PM PDT by Mears
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Maybe it’s true.


4 posted on 10/27/2015 3:47:02 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.


5 posted on 10/27/2015 3:50:59 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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There's a lot of utter BS in this article, one that jumped out at me was

with more minority students attending high schools that are overwhelmingly minority and poorly resourced.

In Buffalo NY, the city high schools are predominantly black - yet the city (State and Feds) spend nearly $19,000 per student. 5th in the entire nation. Their graduation rate is 50%.

The surrounding suburban districts spends approx. $15,000 per student.

6 posted on 10/27/2015 3:52:32 PM PDT by PGR88
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Blacks are excused from just about every responsibility because “it’s their culture”.

But when it comes to their failures we are told that it’s not the result of their culture, it’s always bias on the part of non-blacks.


7 posted on 10/27/2015 3:53:40 PM PDT by Iron Munro (<p> The wise have stores of choice food and oil but a foolish man devours all he has. Proverbs 21:20)
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Dads push kids to do better. They get on them to do better. Thats what black families lack. That isnt a mom’s primary nature. You need both. One that primarily can be your cherleader, and one that primarily makes you not rest on your laurels. Both mom and dad can do a little of the others role, but what comes naturaly to each is vital for kids to have both.


8 posted on 10/27/2015 3:55:05 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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what difference do SAT scores make while majoring in Navel Gazing Studies or Angry "fill in the minority" Queer Studies, etc anyway?
9 posted on 10/27/2015 3:56:37 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - Luke, 22:36)
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“However, Geiser does write that the SAT appears to be a poor predictor (especially for black and Latino students) of whether they will graduate from UC”

I have always suspected that most affirmative action student (admitted into the university because of their race) fill a space in some liberal arts department and get a degree for showing up for class. They don’t get degrees in any major that requires math and science. They get a worthless degree and then they get a gubmint and make more money than I do.


18 posted on 10/27/2015 4:15:36 PM PDT by forgotten man
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There is a racial aspect to the test. My white daughter scored 2350 and didn’t get into Yale.


19 posted on 10/27/2015 4:15:45 PM PDT by wny
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About 10 years ago, there was a big push to get the racially biased questions out of the SATs. Maybe it even in the 1990s. There were all kinds of studies and changes. And yet, here we are with “growing gaps.” What is their angle here? Getting rid of the SATs? Turning every college admissions process into simple racial bean counting?


20 posted on 10/27/2015 4:15:58 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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The gap is explained by differences in intelligence and effort.


22 posted on 10/27/2015 4:17:41 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country)
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Well now, how do you reduce the gap??

Well, current educators will want to depress those who aspire to excellence and get them closer to the underachievers.

The American way us to find ways to interest the underachievers to work harder and become closer to those who do excellent work.


24 posted on 10/27/2015 4:21:07 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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These people are idiots. All their sociology is Marxist cr*pology.

The only thing which creates a Newton is a Natural Family that creates a loving, flourishing, non-stressful childhood which includes reading and human interactions—with adult role models (not a bunch of illiterate peers.) For self-initiative it is important for a child to have the freedom to CHOOSE and not learn dependency and servitude 8 hours a day—dictating what you NEED-—rather than the individual being allowed to study how and what they need to improve themselves. This “group” system is Prussian and destroys Individualism and natural curiosity and initiative (on purpose).

Like with Ben Carson——it wasn’t “school” that made him a genius——it was reading BOOKS-—GREAT BOOKS-—not dumb “shades of gray immoral books which excite base, evil desires instead of building character.

Most literature for children now is Neo-Freudian cr*p which manipulates emotions in artiificial evil ways and forces the mind to descend to the sewer. True art (Classical) elevates the Soul with beauty/harmony and elevates the Mind to the Sublime. Classical Education creates Excellence (virtue). Common Core destroys virtue (intentionally) and drags the brain to hate (in the Marxist sense-—it groups to marginalize).

ALL real scientists understand the importance of one-on-one interaction and not the “group think” factories that they designed to destroy individualism and make children hate to “learn” by forcing them to “think” inside a box, and feel “bad” or dumb, if they don’t think like their peers. (Now, most of their peers are neglected and immoral, and raised by puerile warped cartoons like spongebob anyhow).

Virtue is habituated and embedded in early childhood-—and without Virtue you can NEVER have excellence.

Too many of the “minorities” are deprived of a Natural Family and the home life that embeds morality (virtue/excellence) so they will develop bad habits which destroy the possibility of learning anything of importance. They will be lazy-—hate work (like Booker T. W. stated) and will never amount to anything.

Of course-—the Marxists know how to create dummies so they destroyed the Black family (on purpose) and now are destroying the White family (on purpose) by promoting Vice in our “Just Laws” and creating Marxist systems of indoctrination (lies and misinformation which vilifies all heroes) so there is NO possibility of a Newton or Founding Father. They need SLAVES only.

We need to take back education-—local schools ONLY and put back Classical Education (true education) (which includes memorization of the Bible (exercise of the braiin) and restore this Republic.

Remember-—all ideas contain a faith. Only Christianity was banned in our schools as paganism/naturalism/humanism, etc. is promoted. We have a RIGHT to promote our beliefs which include the ideas and Traditions which created this country.and the ideology embedded in our Constitution (Christian Ethics only).

Race has nothing to do with IQ-—you can get a Clarence Thomas or a Thomas Sowell or a Booker T. Washington with a Classical Education and a home life which promotes Virtue (excellence). Same with a Ted Cruz. It is the FAMILY-—it is moral ROLE MODELS——and parents who LOVE and spend time READING to their children and teaching them how to flourish.


25 posted on 10/27/2015 4:22:44 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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This is the generation in which ethnic teachers are the products of inferior schools. In the past, minority teachers were dedicated to doing their best to give their students a good education in spite of a lack of funds and supplies. It was remarkable what they achieved.

Today, the teachers’ unions tell minority teachers that Black children are victims of discrimination and can’t learn. So they don’t try.


27 posted on 10/27/2015 4:31:58 PM PDT by txrefugee (C)
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30 posted on 10/27/2015 4:35:41 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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SAT scores are simply another measure of the importance of the family (no unwed women with children aren’t families). It’s not a surprise that liberals never bring this up when complaining about the results.

From 2012:
72.3 percent of non-Hispanic blacks are now born out-of-wedlock;
66.2 percent of American Indians/Alaska Natives;
53.3 percent of Hispanics;
29.1 percent of non-Hispanic whites; and
17.2 percent of Asians/Pacific Islanders.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/329432/latest-statistics-illegitimate-births-roger-clegg


33 posted on 10/27/2015 4:44:44 PM PDT by Varda
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Large and growing gaps in SAT scores, by race and ethnicity, are nothing new.

True. Asian students generally score high on the SAT.

34 posted on 10/27/2015 4:47:13 PM PDT by fso301
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I would like someone to explain to me how learned men like George Washington Carver, Booker T Washington, Lewis Howard Latimer and Fredrick Douglas were able to become intellectual giants without the help of the government.

These men were either born into slavery or born shortly thereafter and managed to develop their minds with nothing but their persistence, will. and curiosity.

It is such a shame how little things have progressed for the black community. In the past slaves would risk death if they were found trying to learn to read. In the present black children risk the same dangers, only now it's not white slave owners wanting to keep blacks uneducated.

35 posted on 10/27/2015 4:49:45 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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One that he takes seriously is the possibility that links growing rates of "intense segregation" in high schools, with more minority students attending high schools that are overwhelmingly minority and poorly resourced.

Money isn't the problem... Bill Gates came to a city - one county over from where I live - and gave the school system an extra 200 million dollars... the city matched the 200 million. It made not one bit of difference. The money might as well have been thrown off a bridge.

Black culture is a large part of the problem. Until that changes 'solutions' will be temporary and expensive...and padded with corruption.

Sitting next to a white kid isn't the answer - white doesn't rub off...(and even if it did, isn't that insulting?) Schools have been integrated for almost 50 years. College graduation for black men is worse than it was in the 70's.... We're going backwards.

Not to sound sound counter-intuitive but maybe offering black kids exactly the same as white kids will wake them up to the reality that education is THEIR responsibility.. Not the society's, not the village, not other racial groups... but THEIR responsibility. Natural consequences of choice is a strong teaching tool. It works.

36 posted on 10/27/2015 4:51:33 PM PDT by GOPJ (Imagine if the GOPe fought Dems as hard as they fight Repubs. - freeper bray)
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