Posted on 10/18/2015 8:46:12 AM PDT by jimbo123
Donald Trump says he's not blaming George W. Bush for 9/11, but he claims that if he'd been president, the attacks never would have happened.
In an appearance on "Fox News Sunday," the real estate mogul said that since he's "extremely, extremely tough on immigration" the attackers wouldn't have been in position to commandeer U.S. flights.
"So there's a good chance that those people would not have been in our country," Trump said.
He took another shot at Jeb Bush for claiming that Bush's brother, the 43rd president, kept the nation safe.
"I'm not blaming George Bush," Trump said. "But I don't want Jeb Bush to say, 'My brother kept us safe,' because September 11 was one of the worst days in the history of this country."
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Well, of course, a lot of people DO blame Roosevelt for Pear Harbor.
Before the attacks, FBI agent Robert Wright, Jr. had written vigorous criticisms of FBI’s alleged incompetence in investigating terrorists residing within the United States. Wright was part of the Bureau’s Chicago counter-terrorism task force and involved in project Vulgar Betrayal which was linked to Yasin al-Qadi.[24]
According to James Bamford, the NSA had picked up communications of al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi back in 1999, but had been hampered by internal bureaucratic conflicts between itself and the CIA, and did not do a full analysis of the information it passed on to the agency. For example; it only passed the first names on, Nawaf and Khalid.[25]
Bamford also claims that the CIA’s Alec Station (a unit assigned to bin Laden) knew that al-Mihdhar was planning to come to New York as far back as January 2000. Doug Miller, one of 3 FBI agents working inside the CIA station, tried to send a message (a CIR) to the FBI to alert them about this, so they could put al-Mihdhar on a watch list. His CIA boss, Tom Wilshire, deputy station chief, allegedly denied permission to Miller. Miller asked his associate Mark Rossini for advice; Rossini pressed Wilshire’s deputy but was again rebuffed.[26][27]
Bamford also claims that al-Mihdhar and Hazmi wound up living with Abdussattar Shaikh for a time to save money. Shaikh was, coincidentally, an FBI informant, but since they never acted suspiciously around him, he never reported them. The CIA Bangkok station told Alec Station that Hazmi had gone to Los Angeles. None of this information made it back to the FBI headquarters.[28]
Yeah, don’t let Saudi “students” in. No Arabs!
The truth hurts! George Bush was a disaster for this country. 911, Iraq war and financial melt down in 2008. How can you not put the blame when those 3 disasters happened on his watch? Oh and the other Bush gave us NAFTA and there has been a giant sucking sound evee since!
Hani Hasan Hanjour (26) — Saudi Arabian — pilot
In illegal status because he did not enroll, and his entry permit had expired at the time of the attack.
Nawaf al-Hamzi (or Alhamzi) — Saudi Arabian (brother of Salem)
Had been in illegal visa overstay status for nine months at the time of the attack.
Mohamed Atta — Egyptian (43) — pilot
According to the 2/04 Staff Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks, had overstayed his entry permit as of Dec. 4, 2000.
Satam al-Suqami (25) — Saudi Arabian
Was in overstay status at the time of the attack
Waleed al-Shehri (or Alshehri) (21) — Saudi Arabian (brother of Wail)
In illegal nonimmigrant status (visa overstay) at time of the attack.
Abdulaziz al-Omari (or Alomari) — Saudi Arabian
his passport was doctored (presumably with pages removed to hide his travel to countries where he obtained terrorist training).
Ahmed al-Ghamdi (or Alghamdi) — Saudi Arabian
In illegal visa overstay status at the time of the attack.
Saeed al-Ghamdi (or Alghamdi) — Saudi Arabian
According to the 2/04 Staff Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks, application falsely stated he had not previously applied for a U.S. visa.
Ahmed Ibrahim A. al-Haznawi (or Alhaznawi) (21) — Saudi Arabian
Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks, his passport may have had “suspicious indicators.”
Ahmed Abdullah al-Nami (or Alnami) (23) — Saudi Arabian
Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks, his passport may have had “suspicious indicators.”
http://www.fairus.org/issue/identity-and-immigration-status-of-9-11-terrorists
Its a great argument, we lost our freedoms in the name of security because our President refused to profile and tighten our immigration from countries that want to kill us.
9/11 was the first year of GWB and his Admin was not quite ramped up. Remember that hijcking airplanes to fly into buildings was something never seen before as well. We should not be importing muslims—period. Look at France, Britain, Norway, Sweden and now Germany. Western leaders are pure idiots to import these dangerous problemistas.
Bill Clinton gave you NAFTA. It was not Bush 1.
Waiting for the Unions to ask themselves if they can trust Mrs Bill "Nafta" Clinton in 2016 after the way he screwed them in 1993.
Go Trump!
He never stated such a quote, and his statements aren't necessarily useful as anyone can state they could have prevented 9/11 in hindsight with what we now know.
His main thrust with this line of statements seems to me to be keeping the Bush name attached to Jeb, which is a good idea, although his tactics aren't necessarily the best route, but then again, he may be getting advice that leads him to believe this is a useful course of action.
If GWB felt “responsible” for 9/11 he would have closed the borders, told the Saudis to got to hell, burned Afghanistan to the ground, and stayed the hell out of Iraq.
Instead George W Bush gave us the “Patriot Act,” “Homeland Security,” “TSA,” thousands of dead and crippled soldiers, trillions in debt, kissed the Saudi’s ass, left the borders wide open, and to top it all off gave us Barack Hussein Obama.
Donald Trump for President. Close the blanking borders and send the illegals back where they came from. Case closed.
Dead wrong
A former US Army Infantryman, I joined Free Republic because I have reached the end of my tolerance for the absolutely stupid, criminal behavior of the Hysteric Left in this country. What the Left seems unwilling to grasp is this simple fact. No amount of money, peace vigils or encounter groups are going to keep them safe from people who are convinced their god wants all Americans dead. There are no ground for “peaceful coexistence” with the Islamic Terrorists. We have three choices, kill them, convert to Islam or die. Since I have no desire for the last two, the first is my choice
Why Iraq
One of the really infuriating things in modern politics is the level of disinformation, misinformation, demagoguery and out right lying going on about the mission in Iraq. Democrats have spent the last 3+ years lying about Iraq out of a political calculation. The assumption is that the natural isolationist mindset of the average American voter, linked to the inherent Anti Americanism (what is misnamed the “Anti War movement”) of the more feverish Democrat activists (especially those running the US’s National “News” media) would restore them to national political dominance. The truth is the Democrat Party Leadership has simply lacked the courage to speak truth to whiners. The truth is that even if Al Gore won the 2000 election and 09-11 still happened we would be doing the EXACT same things in Iraq we are doing now.
Based on the political situation in the region left over from the 1991 Gulf War plus the domestic political consensus built up in BOTH parties since 1991 as well as fundamental military strategic laws, there was NO viable strategic choice for the US but to take out Iraq after finishing the initial operations in Afghanistan.
To start with Saddam's Iraq was our most immediate threat. We could NOT commit significant military forces to another battle with Saddam hovering undefeated on our flank nor could we leave significant forces watching Saddam. The political containment of Iraq was breaking down. That what Oil for Food was all about. Oil for Food was an attempt by Iraq to break out of it's diplomatic isolation and slip the shackles the UN Sanctions put on it's military. There there was the US Strategic position to consider.
The War on Islamic Fascism is different sort of war. in facing this Asymmetrical threat, we have a hidden foe, spread out across a geographically diverse area, with covert sources of supply. Since we cannot go everywhere they hide out, in fact often cannot even locate them until the engage us, we need to draw them out of hiding into a kill zone.
Iraq is that kill zone. That is the true brilliance of the Iraq strategy. We draw the terrorists out of their world wide hiding places onto a battlefield they have to fight on for political reasons (The “Holy” soil of the Arabian peninsula) where they have to pit their weakest ability (Conventional Military combat power) against our greatest strength (ability to call down unbelievable amounts of firepower) where they will primarily have to fight other forces (the Iraqi Security forces) in a battlefield that is mostly neutral in terms of guerrilla warfare. (Iraqi-mostly open terrain as opposed to guerrilla friendly areas like the mountains of Afghanistan or the jungles of SE Asia).
Did any of the critics of liberating Iraq ever look at a map? Iraq, for which we had the political, legal and moral justifications to attack, is the strategic high ground of the Middle East. A Geographic barrier that severs ground communication between Iran and Syria apart as well as providing another front of attack in either state or into Saudi Arabia if needed.
There were other reasons to do Iraq but here is the strategic military reason we are in Iraq. We have taken, an maintain the initiative from the Terrorists. They are playing OUR game on ground of OUR choosing.
Problem is Counter Insurgency is SLOW and painful. Often a case of 3 steps forward, two steps back. One has to wonder if the American people have either the emotional maturity, nor the intellect” to understand. It's so much easier to spew made for TV slogans like “No Blood for Oil” or “We support the Troops, bring them home” or dumbest of all “We are creating terrorists” then to actually THINK.
Westerners in general, and the US citizens in particular seem to have trouble grasping the fundamental fact of this foe. These Islamic Fascists have NO desire to co-exist with them. The extremists see all this PC posturing by the Hysteric Left as a sign that we are weak. Since they want us dead, weakness encourages them. There is simply no way to coexist with people who completely believe their “god” will reward them for killing us.
So we can covert to Islam, die or kill them. Iraq is about killing enough of them to make the rest of the Jihadists realize we are serious. They same way killing enough Germans, Italians and Japanese eliminated the ideologies of Nazism, Fascism and Bushido.
Americans need to understand how Bin Laden and his ilk view us. In the Arab world the USA is considered a big wimp. We have run away so many times. Lebanon, the Kurds, the Iraqis in 1991, the Iranians, Somalia, Clinton all thru the 1990s etc etc etc. The Jihadists think we will run again. In fact they are counting on it. That way they can run around screaming “We beat the American just like the Russians, come join us in Jihad” and recruit the next round of “holy warriors”. Iraq is also a show place where we show the Muslim world that there are a lines they cannot cross. On 9-11-01 they crossed that line and we can, and will, destroy them for it -
If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”
Winston Churchill
Read the commission report on this and also the link to FactCheck that only one was on a student visa, but never showed up for class. The others were on tourist or business visas and most overstayed them.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/911_TerrTrav_Ch2.pdf
http://www.factcheck.org/2013/05/911-hijackers-and-student-visas/
Jeb Bush better watch what he’s saying. Plenty of historians say that FDR knew about the planned attack on Pearl Harbor months in advance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Harbor_advance-knowledge_conspiracy_theory
All immigration needs to be shut down to the bare minimum. There should be no voting rights granted for new citizens, only their subsequent generations. Close the door for ten years and start ejecting all of the illegals.
Trump knows what Jebby is doing, he's using his daddy and big brother to get to the Oval Office, and Trump is MAN enough to bring that out, just like with Pink laced Graham with the phone number, just like with McLame and his b.s. he has thrown around...no body asked him to be inprisioned, Trump has shown us many things about these candidates, and every one of them have been true and have been proven to be true...
If little jebby can't stand the heat of the oven, then he should stay out of the kitchen!!!
According to authorities, all of the hijackers who committed the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks were foreigners. All of them entered the country legally on a temporary visa, mostly tourist visas with entry permits for six months. Although four of them attended flight school in the United States, only one is known to have entered on an appropriate visa for such study, and one entered on an F-1 student visa. Besides the four pilots, all but one of the terrorists entered the United States only once and had been in the country for only three to five months before the attacks.
According to authorities, all of the hijackers who committed the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks were foreigners. All of them entered the country legally on a temporary visa, mostly tourist visas with entry permits for six months. Although four of them attended flight school in the United States, only one is known to have entered on an appropriate visa for such study, and one entered on an F-1 student visa. Besides the four pilots, all but one of the terrorists entered the United States only once and had been in the country for only three to five months before the attacks.
The four pilots had been in the United States for extended periods, although none was a legal permanent resident. Some had received more than one temporary visa, most of which were currently valid on September 11, but at least three of them had fallen out of status and were, therefore, in the United States illegally.
The terrorists had obtained U.S. identification that was used for boarding flights in the form of Florida, Virginia, California and New Jersey driver's licenses/ID cards. One of the terrorists, Mohamed Atta, was detained in Florida for driving without a license, but subsequently obtained one. Thirteen of the terrorists had Florida driver's licenses or ID cards, seven had Virginia driver's licenses, at least two had California licenses and two had New Jersey driver's licenses. According to the March 28, 2002 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Robert Thibadeau, director of Carnegie Mellon's Internet Security laboratory, says that "the 19 terrorists on Sept. 11 were holding 63 state driver's licenses for identification."
In the probe of the attack, numerous other people with potential connections to the hijackings have been detained for immigration violations.
The fact is, only one of the 19 9/11 hijackers came to the U.S. on a student visa, according to the 9/11 Commission Report. That one was Hani Hanjour, a Saudi Arabian terrorist who piloted the plane that was flown into the Pentagon, according to a 2004 staff report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States. In his student visa application, Hanjour provided paperwork showing that he was enrolled in an English as a second language program in Oakland, Calif., but he never attended after arriving in America (a fact that would draw scrutiny today). He did not, however, overstay his student visa.
Of the other 18 9/11 hijackers, 14 came to the United States on six-month tourist visas and four came on business visas, according to the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States. Once in the U.S., two of the hijack pilots applied to have their immigration status changed to vocational student, but neither used such a visa on their subsequent re-entry into the country.
State Dept. Lapses Aided 9/11 Hijackers
A new report accuses the State Department of staggering lapses in its visa program that gave Sept. 11 hijackers entry into the United States.
The political journal National Review obtained the visa applications for 15 of the 19 hijackers — and evidence that all of them should have been denied entry to the country.
Almost all of the hijacker's visas were issued in Saudi Arabia, at the U.S. Embassy in Riyadh or the U.S. Consulate in Jedda. Terrorist ties aside, the applications themselves should have raised red flags, say experts. The forms are incomplete and often incomprehensible — yet that didn't stop any of the 15 terrorists for whom the visa applications were obtained from coming to the United States.
This is a systemic problem," said Nikolai Wenzel, a former U.S. consular officer. "It's a problem of sloppiness, it's a problem of negligence which I would call criminal negligence because obviously, having reviewed all these applications, there is a pattern here."
The pattern? None of the 15 applications reviewed was filled out properly.
The primary responsibility of the POTUS is to defend the country. Bush failed. Go cry me a river bushbots!
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