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1 posted on 10/13/2015 7:38:14 AM PDT by RummyChick
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“Our assessment is unchanged - MH17 was shot down by a surface-to-air missile fired from separatist-controlled territory in eastern Ukraine,” National Security Council spokesman Ned Price said in a statement.


2 posted on 10/13/2015 7:40:37 AM PDT by RummyChick
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We, already knew that.

Where are the Ukrainian ATC Radar and voice tapes?
Where is the Cockpit voice Recorder tape?


3 posted on 10/13/2015 7:40:45 AM PDT by tcrlaf (They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....)
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Old news.

What are they going to do about it?


6 posted on 10/13/2015 7:52:54 AM PDT by Helicondelta
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Still dancing around the million dollar question:

Why were flights over Crimea suspended immediately BUT flights over a live war zone (Donbas) were still allowed for a LONG time?

They really expect us to believe “a possibility of conflicting ATC” is more dangerous than live SAMs being fired over an active warzone with planes already shot down?


7 posted on 10/13/2015 7:53:09 AM PDT by varyouga
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Airspace above conflict zone in eastern Ukraine should have been closed before MH17 downed, Dutch Safety Board says - @BBCBreaking

A little late now. Why wasn’t it?


9 posted on 10/13/2015 7:56:16 AM PDT by McGruff (Trump-Cruz 2016. Make America Great Again.)
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One must not be too happy about this finding because there must be thousands of US built anti-aircraft missiles in the hands of the bad guys (thanks Hillary!). It is only a matter of time ...


12 posted on 10/13/2015 8:04:40 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act)
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The full report is here - http://cdn.onderzoeksraad.nl/documents/report-mh17-crash-en.pdf - 279 pages.

As for radar data. Pages 37 and 38 describe how Ukraine provided the investigators with their radar data and Russia didn’t.

Russia claims they didn’t provide the radar data as they did not save it and that Russian regulations don’t require them to save the radar data since the crash occurred outside of Russian territory. Investigation failed to find this exception in regulations that Russia has published or submitted to ICAO. (pages 42 and 43)

Quotes from the report:

“In accordance with ICAO Annex 11 - Air Traffic Services, paragraph 6.4.1 (Automatic recording of surveillance data) states are required to automatically record data from primary and secondary surveillance radar equipment systems for use in accident and incident investigations...” (page 42)

“The Federal Air Transport Agency of the Russian Federation stated that because the crash had occurred outside Russian Federation territory, no radar data was saved, nor was it required to by national requirements.” (page 42)

“The information provided by the Russian Federation does not mention an exception to the requirement to store radar data when that data relates to an area outside the Russian Federation territory. When a state cannot, or will not, follow the provisions of an ICAO standard, ICAO requires that the difference between the national version of a specific standard and ICAO’s text to be reported to ICAO... The Russian Federation has not filed a difference to ICAO Annex 11 paragraph 6.4.1” (page 43)


13 posted on 10/13/2015 8:08:45 AM PDT by Krosan
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“the long-awaited findings of the board...did not point the finger at any group or party for launching the missile.”

So basically nothing is resolved.

14 posted on 10/13/2015 8:09:56 AM PDT by McGruff (Trump-Cruz 2016. Make America Great Again.)
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Perhaps that firm could tell us how Flight 800 was brought down.


15 posted on 10/13/2015 8:11:05 AM PDT by Rannug ("all enemies, foreign and : domestic")
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MH17: Russian missile-maker Almaz Antey contradicts Dutch report, says plane downed by outdated BUK missile fired from Ukrainian military controlled village of Zaroshchenskoye

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/mh17-russian-missilemaker-almaz-antey-contradicts-dutch-report-says-plane-downed-by-outdated-buk-missile-fired-from-ukrainian-military-controlled-village-of-zaroshchenskoye-31607028.html


19 posted on 10/13/2015 8:18:54 AM PDT by McGruff (Trump-Cruz 2016. Make America Great Again.)
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27 posted on 10/13/2015 8:31:19 AM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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