Posted on 10/03/2015 11:46:48 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Within hours of the gunfire falling silent on the campus of Umpqua Community College in Oregon Thursday, President Obama stepped up to a podium and declared that America should follow the path of our Anglosphere cousins to reduce gun violence.
We know that other countries, in response to one mass shooting, have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings, the president said. Friends of ours, allies of ours Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours. So we know there are ways to prevent it.
Australia is Obamas preferred euphemism for that most cherished of gun-control ideals: mass confiscation of the citizenrys weapons.
You will notice that the president doesnt exactly spell out what following Australias model would entail. He speaks instead of commonsense gun-control legislation, closing the gun-show loophole, and universal background checks.
In the last 24 hours, New York magazine, CNN, and NBC have also sung the virtues of the Australian model.
But the Australian 1996 National Agreement on Firearms was not a benign set of commonsense gun-control rules: It was a gun-confiscation program rushed through the Australian parliament just twelve days after a 28-year-old man killed 35 people with a semi-automatic rifle in the Tasmanian city of Port Arthur. The Council of Foreign relations summarizes the Aussie measure nicely:
The National Agreement on Firearms all but prohibited automatic and semiautomatic assault rifles, stiffened licensing and ownership rules, and instituted a temporary gun buyback program that took some 650,000 assault weapons (about one-sixth of the national stock) out of public circulation. Among other things, the law also required licensees to demonstrate a genuine need for a particular type of gun and take a firearm safety course.
The councils laudatory section on Australian gun-control policy concludes that many [read: gun-control activists] suggest the policy response in the wake of Port Arthur could serve as a model for the United States.
Two questions should be asked and answered: (1) Did the postPort Arthur laws lead to a clear reduction of gun violence, and (2) What would an American version of the Australian model look like?
Gun-control activists claim that the Australian model directly resulted in a pronounced fall in the gun-suicide rate and the gun-homicide rate. But these claims are disputable.
In August, Voxs German Lopez wrote a piece that included a chart attempting to show a causal relationship between the Australian gun-confiscation regime and a reduction in the Australian suicide rate. When countries reduced access to guns, they saw a drop in the number of firearm suicides, Lopez wrote.
I noted at the time that:
While the chart does show a steady decline in gun-related suicides, the reduction occurred at the same time as an overall reduction in the Australian suicide rate. Whats more, firearm-related suicides had been declining in Australia for nearly ten years before the 1996 restrictions on gun ownership.
Voxs own chart does not appear to show a causal link between gun control and a reduction in suicide rates in Australia.
Moreover, a look at other developed countries with very strict gun-control laws (such as Japan and South Korea) shows that the lack of guns does not lead to a reduced suicide rate. Unfortunately, people who want to kill themselves often find a way to do so guns or no guns.
Did the Australian model at least reduce gun-related homicides?
That is hotly disputed.
University of Melbourne researchers Wang-Sheng Lee and Sandy Suardi concluded their 2008 report on the matter with the statement, There is little evidence to suggest that [the Australian mandatory gun-buyback program] had any significant effects on firearm homicides.
Although gun buybacks appear to be a logical and sensible policy that helps to placate the publics fears, the reported continued, the evidence so far suggests that in the Australian context, the high expenditure incurred to fund the 1996 gun buyback has not translated into any tangible reductions in terms of firearm deaths.
A 2007 report, Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference? by Jeanine Baker and Samara McPhedran similarly concluded that the buyback program did not have a significant long-term effect on the Australian homicide rate.
The Australian gun-homicide rate had already been quite low and had been steadily falling in the 15 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre. And while the mandatory buyback program did appear to reduce the rate of accidental firearm deaths, Baker and McPhedran found that the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia.
Would an American version of the Australian model perform any better?
In all likelihood it would fare worse. The Federalists Varad Mheta set down the facts in June:
Gun confiscation is not happening in the United States any time soon. But lets suppose it did. How would it work? Australias program netted, at the low end, 650,000 guns, and at the high end, a million. That was approximately a fifth to a third of Australian firearms. There are about as many guns in America as there are people: 310 million of both in 2009. A fifth to a third would be between 60 and 105 million guns. To achieve in America what was done in Australia, in other words, the government would have to confiscate as many as 105 million firearms.
And an American mandatory gun-confiscation program in addition to being unconstitutional would be extraordinarily coercive, and perhaps even violent.
There is no other way around it: The mandatory confiscation of the American citizenrys guns would involve tens of thousands of heavily armed federal agents going door-to-door to demand of millions of Americans that they surrender their guns.
That. Is. Not. Going. To. Happen.
If the president and gun-control activists want to keep saying Australia in response to every shooting in America, they should at least be honest about what exactly they are proposing.
Mark Antonio Wright is an assistant editor at National Review.
I was in Australia for a while shortly before 1996. One thing I noticed was that quite a few murders took place in the Sydney area (where I was).
Of course, few of those killings involved guns. But the Australians seemed to beat each other to death with golf clubs, cricket bats and chairs far more than we do here in the States.
The mandatory confiscation of the American citizenrys guns would involve tens of thousands of heavily armed federal agents going door-to-door to demand of millions of Americans that they surrender their guns.
Would have to be passed by Congress ? Obama would never get it done in the time he has left
The mandatory confiscation of the American citizenrys guns would involve tens of thousands of heavily armed federal agents going door-to-door to demand of millions of Americans that they surrender their guns.
Would have to be passed by Congress ? Obama would never get it done in the time he has left
It won’t happen. And if it did happen it would involve food and water.
“...But the Australians seemed to beat each other to death with golf clubs, cricket bats and chairs far more than we do here in the States....”
Aussies always seemed to me to be a more homey, personable bunch than what we have in the US. Golf clubs, cricket bats and chairs seem more sporting than a stupid gun. Especially late at night when you don’t want to disturb anyone or cause collateral damage.
Not..Going..To..Happen..Here
Without a LOT of violence. I think that since the last decade of the great Democrat control push that Americans who own guns have finally awakened to the reality that we must push back on every little gun measure the fascists propose. Never let up, never give an inch.
Many, though probably not enough, realize that gun confiscation would have to be met with armed insurrection. The left in the US is essentially no different than the Nazis or the Maoists. That once they have our guns they will begin locking up dissidents (i.e. non lefties).
Make no mistake, the left in this country would put conservatives into camps and commit genocide on conservatives if they could. I guarantee that. As much has been said about putting us in reeducation camps. It would be stupid not to realize that gulags and genocide are the ultimate desires of many liberal
Americans.
The hate & polarization here is worse than even the most “informed” people realize.
I would like to see the day when a suspect enters a college classroom and shoots at the professor and 6 students draw their handguns and kill the suspect-— 5 center mass and 1 in the shoulder and then the student who only hit the shoulder is sent to the college basement firing range for a couple of days of shooting practice.
As Archie Bunker said. “Arm all the passengers on an airplane with guns to end sky jacking.”
I completely believe that sometime in my lifetime there will be gun confiscation in the US. I understand demographics, I know what people from those growing demographic groups believe and how they vote. The question is: will people comply when the ban/confiscation begin? I know what my answer will be, and I don’t mind ending up in mass grave because of that answer.
5 years ago I took a 5 day self-defense training course and one of the participants was an Aussie.
He made it pretty clear that most citizens buried their weapons in strong boxes.
It makes it difficult to get much practice time, but at least they remain an armed citizenry.
We don’t analyze or see gun crime properly and of course, all gun control after mass shootings are emotional responses and don’t stop mass shootings.
Mass shootings, where 4 or more die, in addition to the perp, are mostly committed by the mentally deficient. Mass murder deaths are statistically insignificant compared to the 10,000 or 11,000 other firearms homicides yearly.
I can’t think of a gun law that would have any impact on or stop mass shootings.
I CAN think of lots of actions, generally directed at criminals, not specifically at guns, that would cut homicides greatly.
If the government is incapable of finding and deporting illegals, how can it find and confiscate firearms? In most cases, illegals are bigger, and not so well hidden.
There is one glaring omission in this article on the 1996 confiscations in Australia:
ALL OF THE GUNS SEIZED WERE PREVIOUSLY REGISTERED!
Let that sink in for a moment: police authorities in Down Under already knew exactly who owned what. If the owners failed to turn their guns in when ordered to do so, the police were soon at their door.
Registration IS confiscation!
Obama also seems to fail to take this into account. Background checks, assault weapon & magazine bans, mandatory stolen gun reportage, etc. are ineffectual without registration of guns & ID’ing of owners.
But even hostile state governments with FOID & registration in NY, CT, & NJ are encountering widespread civil disobedience.
Obama further fails to take into account the differing national characters of Australians (more like British) and Americans (revolted against British).
Lacking registration rolls of guns & owners, authorities attempting to randomly invade homes & seize weapons will encounter mayhem & insurrection.
If “Amish” flash mobs can be stirred up by Twitter, how about millions & millions of gun owners?
Paul Revere would wish he had Twitter. No hazardous night horseback ride necessary, just tweet out, “To arms! To arms! The British are out!”
If Obama hated “bitter clingers” in 2008, he hates them a lot worse now. Rifles are gathering behind every blade of grass.
How many Aussies died resisting the confiscation? Multiply that times 50 when they try that stupid shit here.
Ps. Multiply the number of dead Feds x 50 too.
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