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Cruz takes exception to pope on death penalty
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| 09/24/15
| Seung Min Kim
Posted on 09/27/2015 9:35:07 AM PDT by Isara
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To: Isara
I’m going to start making Ted Cruz lawn signs.
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posted on
09/27/2015 10:08:12 AM PDT
by
Rappini
(Compromise has its place. It's called second.)
To: Isara
Seems to me economics has something to do with housing prisoners:
The Vera Institute of Justice released a study in 2012 that found the aggregate cost of prisons in 2010 in the 40 states that participated was $39 billion. The annual average taxpayer cost in these states was $31,286 per inmate. New York State was the most expensive, with an average cost of $60,000 per prison inmate.Because of our appeal system the average stay on death row can be 40 years...apparently old age kills more of those inmates than "the chair etc".
We have the (federal system) and (US states prison systems)
Then there is (this) some feel gooders call this slave labor...huh?
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posted on
09/27/2015 10:08:54 AM PDT
by
yoe
To: Tennessee Nana
Yes he did. At the UN. Most of you talk out of your butt.
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posted on
09/27/2015 10:08:56 AM PDT
by
napscoordinator
(Walker for President 2016. The only candidate with actual real RESULTS!!!!! The rest...talkers!)
To: Isara
CA has one unique reason to keep the death penalty;
In the 1980’s our state supreme court justice, Rose Bird, was removed from office for her anti-death stance and rulings that had the effect of nullifying death sentences. Many people were returned to society and most went back to being criminals, many killed again.
Had they been executed, they’d never have been released to kill or maim again.
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posted on
09/27/2015 10:09:44 AM PDT
by
umgud
To: Isara
Here are the two perspectives on this:
1 - In Romans it says basically: “It is good to fear the sword of the state for it has its purpose”.
So, we see capital punishment justified.
2 - The Pope has two concerns:
- outside the U.S. Capital punishment is not subject to the legal scrutiny intended to protect the innocent.
- within the U.S. the Pope wants to maximize the opportunity for the guilty to repent.
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posted on
09/27/2015 10:11:15 AM PDT
by
G Larry
(Vote Hillary! Pro-Abortion Socialist)
To: Rappini
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posted on
09/27/2015 10:13:06 AM PDT
by
cripplecreek
(Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.)
To: napscoordinator
At the UN??? The People at the UN have NOTHING to do with making abortion Illegal!! He SHOULD have said it to CONGRESS!!!!!
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posted on
09/27/2015 10:14:41 AM PDT
by
Ann Archy
(ABORTION....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
To: Ann Archy
Don’t have a stroke. i answered the question.
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posted on
09/27/2015 10:16:28 AM PDT
by
napscoordinator
(Walker for President 2016. The only candidate with actual real RESULTS!!!!! The rest...talkers!)
To: napscoordinator
So it’s OK with you that he ONLY mentioned abortion at the UN?
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posted on
09/27/2015 10:25:08 AM PDT
by
Ann Archy
(ABORTION....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
To: Tennessee Nana
Yep, having a pope stand there in the midst of the greatest holocaust in the history of man and rail about ... the weather was unbelievable.
That would be like a pope visiting a concentration camp full of jews during WW2 and never mentioning the gas chambers right behind him, but instead preaching on the evils of checkers.
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posted on
09/27/2015 10:31:03 AM PDT
by
TexasFreeper2009
(You can't spell Hillary without using the letters L, I, A, & R)
To: napscoordinator
so your argument is because liberals have made it long and costly to execute murderers we should stop?
how about this... we execute them immediately after sentencing with a rope.
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posted on
09/27/2015 10:33:05 AM PDT
by
TexasFreeper2009
(You can't spell Hillary without using the letters L, I, A, & R)
To: Isara
Jorge Bergoglio is an international socialist and a false prophet, and a very dangerous man to preside at a time of great delusion.
To: Isara
Genesis 9:6 (and more) says Cruz is correct.
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posted on
09/27/2015 10:49:43 AM PDT
by
faithhopecharity
(Brilliant, funny, and incisive Tagline coming to this space soon.....)
To: Rappini
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posted on
09/27/2015 11:03:32 AM PDT
by
pollywog
( " O thou who changest not....ABIDE with me")
To: Isara
Where was the Pope’s open rebuke of abortion and Planned Parenthood, did I miss that?
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posted on
09/27/2015 11:05:00 AM PDT
by
A CA Guy
( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
To: I want the USA back
Bingo. Frank should read the Catechism:
“2267 Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude the recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only way possible of effectively defending human lives against an unjust oppressor”.
So unless he’s speaking ex cathedra (which he isn’t) his position is not binding on faithful Catholics.
To: Ann Archy
At the UN??? The People at the UN have NOTHING to do with making abortion Illegal!! He SHOULD have said it to CONGRESS!!!!!APPLAUSE!!!!!!
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posted on
09/27/2015 11:06:55 AM PDT
by
pollywog
( " O thou who changest not....ABIDE with me")
To: Isara
I support the death penalty, but not for the Federal government and a large number of totalitarian states (CA, NY, MA, MD, CT).
Let’s face it, I don’t think it’s inconceivable that in the near future, the Feds will openly use the death penalty for political dissidents. Even “conservatives” have called for Snowden’s execution for exposing the NSA’s egregious & unconstitutional routine 4th amendment violations. The NDAA gives the president/dictator the authority to classify any person in the U.S. as an enemy combatant and a target for execution.
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posted on
09/27/2015 11:08:08 AM PDT
by
grumpygresh
(We don't have Democrats and Republicans, we have the Faustian uni-party)
To: faithhopecharity
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posted on
09/27/2015 11:09:02 AM PDT
by
pollywog
( " O thou who changest not....ABIDE with me")
To: Isara
I will be voting for Cruz, but I am not on board on this point. Personally, I believe that life sentences to hard labor NEEDS to be brought back. As in Making big rocks into quarry process with a 18# sledgehammer from sunrise to sunset... for the rest. of. their. miserable. lives.
People are more afraid of hard work than they fear their own mortality.
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posted on
09/27/2015 11:16:57 AM PDT
by
Rodamala
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