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Pope Francis, "Jesus dying on the cross was a failure" [Revelation 13]
9/25/2015 | Jan Sobieski

Posted on 09/26/2015 11:31:49 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski

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To: marron

Please do not get offended at me, but do you also call Muslims your brothers and sisters? Humanly speaking, Jesus’ death on the cross is the only lasting victory that humans can ever know.


121 posted on 09/26/2015 1:18:53 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: mkjessup

Thank the Lord your daughter got out of that evil. How did she come to embrace Islam in the first place and how long before she came to her senses?


122 posted on 09/26/2015 1:19:33 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: marron

I agree that this is taken out of context. I disagree that it is a good address. It is not the heresy presented. Still, I never like our daily emotions, especially those rooted in our own weakness and sinful doubt, lifted by a comparison like that. Jesus fully understood what He was doing and why. He agonized because what he was called to do was so difficult. But He did it willingly and knew fully the fruit of it. Read John 14 through 17. I am not saying you do not know that. I am saying, his speech was not “pretty good.” It was his usual emotional drivel that is not biblical solid. That is why it is so easily misunderstood.


123 posted on 09/26/2015 1:21:28 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

You are correct about the “brothers and sisters” thing. I forgot about that and focused on the other charge. That is a VERY strange thing for a Pope to say.


124 posted on 09/26/2015 1:22:32 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

....”Many of us have had to leave Protestant Church denominations because of a failure to adhere to “sound doctrine”. Some have fled to non-denominational churches, and some have fled to home churches.... It may be high time for our believing Roman Catholic brothers and sisters to do the same...”...

Unfortunately many churches today are entering a time of deception which Jesus clearly warned us would come. Because I’ve traveled and moved so often in life I’ve been able to observe the “changes” which have occurred and the deceptions being taught. ...more importantly how fast now this is traveling.

I agree and have great concerns for those believers in the catholic church.....what is gearing up and yet to fully be seen in catholic leadership, and where they are taking their church, will engulf them if they don’t leave soon. Because this isn’t going to stop by any change of Popes...it’s an agenda fully tied now to the Global Agenda for World Dominance when they set up that order, now moving a lightening speed.


125 posted on 09/26/2015 1:23:00 PM PDT by caww
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Were it not for all the other crazy things he says, I may have let his failure statement pass...


126 posted on 09/26/2015 1:23:57 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

I also agree with your statement about Jesus’ death and disagree with how the Pope used it. I am just saying that he did not actually call it a failure.


127 posted on 09/26/2015 1:24:17 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: caww

Amen.


128 posted on 09/26/2015 1:24:46 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: caww

Popes come and Popes go. This Pope as usual is old. He will soon be gone and we will have a new Pope. I eagerly await the new Pope.


129 posted on 09/26/2015 1:24:53 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

I understand completely where you are coming from.


130 posted on 09/26/2015 1:25:21 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Fred Hayek

First, the Pope did not mention the Resurrection.

Second, he said HUMANLY SPEAKING!!!!!!!!!!!


131 posted on 09/26/2015 1:27:41 PM PDT by G Larry (Vote Hillary! Pro-Abortion Socialist)
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To: mkjessup

Was she dating a moslem man? I had a roommate in college who began to cover her head after she met and began to date a Paki student.


132 posted on 09/26/2015 1:28:20 PM PDT by kalee
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To: OafOfOffice

He said HUMANLY SPEAKING!!!!!!!!!!!


133 posted on 09/26/2015 1:28:35 PM PDT by G Larry (Vote Hillary! Pro-Abortion Socialist)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

A New Pope isn’t going to change the trajectory the Vatican leadership is taking the catholic church...the agenda is set.


134 posted on 09/26/2015 1:37:08 PM PDT by caww
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To: G Larry
He said HUMANLY SPEAKING!!!!!!!!!!!

I think that since his statement, no matter how you read it, is blasphemy, I would argue that he was Demonically Speaking.

Christ work was finished at the cross. His penultimate statement at the cross was "It is Finished." The work was done. It was a victory and not a failure.

You can make all the excuses you want for this miserable failure of a Pope, but you can't polish a turd and call it art.

135 posted on 09/26/2015 1:40:17 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Tagline pending.)
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To: mkjessup

Thanks for sharing. Praise God your daughter came back to Christ. The power of prayer is amazing. I can’t say how happy I am for her and you that she is back in the fold.


136 posted on 09/26/2015 1:51:26 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: LostInBayport

Spot on. I do not recall John Paul II getting anything close to this type of adoration during his visit to America. And he was a thousand times the leader that Pope Frank is.


137 posted on 09/26/2015 1:57:26 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: right way right

Pope’s a dope.


138 posted on 09/26/2015 1:59:08 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: dragonblustar

I agree with you completely at #33.
It’s very unfortunate on the phrasing.
Even if he had added ‘worldly’ before “humanly speaking” I think it would still need to be even clearer than that for the ‘world’.
He lacks discernment about this. Perhaps his translator should be fired, I don’t know.
I’m not Catholic but, I do know the itching ears of humanity, and what they they hear this ‘beloved’ Pope say is that Jesus failed and died on the cross. This is very unfortunate.


139 posted on 09/26/2015 1:59:13 PM PDT by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our one and only true hope.)
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To: Bulwyf
Praise God your daughter came back to Christ. The power of prayer is amazing. I can’t say how happy I am for her and you that she is back in the fold.

Yes to all in your post.

Remember, though, the power is not in the prayer; it's in the One to Whom we pray.
140 posted on 09/26/2015 1:59:49 PM PDT by Resettozero
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