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The Trouble with Kids Today (it's all about IQ after all)
The Federalist ^ | 9/19/15 | Murray

Posted on 09/19/2015 12:08:13 PM PDT by pabianice

...IQ has a substantial direct correlation with measures of success in life, and it is also correlated with a variety of other characteristics that promote success...

...It’s not just that the IQ gap in working-class and upper-middle-class communities has gotten wider. The life penalties associated with low IQ have risen since 1960. If you focus on the economic changes since 1960, those with low IQ have faced a labor market in which the market value of a strong back has dropped while the value of brains has soared...

...If you focus on the reforms and social programs of the 1960s, the reductions in immediate penalties for destructive behavior (e.g., doing drugs, dropping out of school, grabbing purses, having a baby without marriage) had the most effect on people who were impulsive, attracted to immediate gratification, and unable to foresee long-term consequences—qualities associated with low IQ. The effects of such changes in incentives among the smart were much smaller....


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: bookreview; charlesmurray; idiocracy; intelligence; intelligencequotient; iq; robertdputnam
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To: miss marmelstein
"Perhaps bringing back jobs to this country which will employ those working class people?"

Yes, indeed there should be an economic balance of jobs for all citizens. A nation can't export these jobs and expect full employment. It is the failure of capitalism when applied to a democracy. When this population can't get employment, these are forced to rely on government and they vote.

101 posted on 09/19/2015 1:48:05 PM PDT by ex-snook
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To: Texan5
I know how I moved a lot of stuff around using make shift levers, block and tackle and what not.
I always thought of it as a problem to be solved and made a game of it.
I don't know what they are teaching these days.
But sure ain't like when I was in school back in the 40's
102 posted on 09/19/2015 1:51:33 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: roadcat

I can handle authority if I respect it. I cannot do mindless busywork.


103 posted on 09/19/2015 1:53:54 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: grania

Or we got his dull, effeminate little brother.


104 posted on 09/19/2015 1:57:21 PM PDT by I Hired Craig Livingstone (DT16. Deal with it.)
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To: roadcat
I'm sorry, you're granddaughter has the knack...
105 posted on 09/19/2015 2:02:14 PM PDT by null and void (Liberals: 2002, Bring the war home!/2015, bring 100,000 musim 'refugees' here NOW!)
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To: livius

Wut uo wit dat?


106 posted on 09/19/2015 2:04:49 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Section 20.)
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To: driftless2
You find me non-affirmative action scientists, physicists, engineers, doctors, mathematicians, etc. with average or low IQs, then I’ll start believing that IQ doesn’t matter.

Biden. Hillary. Debbie Washerwoman-Schultz...

107 posted on 09/19/2015 2:05:40 PM PDT by null and void (Liberals: 2002, Bring the war home!/2015, bring 100,000 musim 'refugees' here NOW!)
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To: Fiddlstix

I graduated HS in the mid-60’s-and public kindergarten looked so chaotic to my husband and me that he opted to get a 2nd job so we could send the cub to private school, starting with kindergarten-that was in the 70’s-5 year-olds were running around in a big, open classroom screeching, fighting, etc while the teacher sat at her desk ignoring it all-not what we thought of as kindergarten.

I still keep a come-along in my 4x4 as part of my all-purpose toolkit...


108 posted on 09/19/2015 2:06:45 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Texan5

My husband (military) used to call this ‘field expedience’. Grab anything at hand to make something else work. Make a new tool on the spot. Remember where you are and where North is. Be able to know and identify one cow out of a hundred..and on and on.

Big difference from desk or book knowledge. Our ancestors in the remote steppes, the Indo Europeans, spoke a language a hundred times more complex than the one we speak now. And they couldn’t even read or write.

God, how did we ever survive?


109 posted on 09/19/2015 2:08:35 PM PDT by squarebarb ( Fairy tales are basically true.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Dilbert?


110 posted on 09/19/2015 2:09:31 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Section 20.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Jews have high IQs, blacks have low IQs”. \\

Do dat be why sub saharan Afreeka ain’t got no Parthenon or Coliseum or sumtim like the Hi Ya Sopheeya ?

Or the likes of Code of Hammurabi, 10 commandments, Torah??


111 posted on 09/19/2015 2:10:39 PM PDT by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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To: pabianice

It is a giant problem that both left and right want to pretend doesn’t exist. Murray’s book, “Coming Apart,” is brilliant and scary. He shows that there are “superzips” in DC/NY where every single person on the block is an Ivy League grad, and where the inhabitants of one of these Superzips might not EVER on a daily basis come in contact with a member outside the “elite” class (IQ + income) except for a food handler.


112 posted on 09/19/2015 2:12:10 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: pabianice

> My late mom was invited to join Mensa. She went twice. When I asked her why she stopped going, she said, “Pabianice, they are the most boring people I’ve ever met. All they do is talk about themselves.”

I declined their offer for the same reason as your mother.
Also, I’ve never met a group with so many snobs.


113 posted on 09/19/2015 2:12:13 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (Political Correctness is Supression of Free Speech. Thank the Commies for Political Correctness.)
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To: squarebarb

I have a guy that works for me that is a functional illiterate. I inherited him from previous management. He can take apart complex pieces of machinery and successfully repair them with no assistance. He is a self taught millwright and welder. Very successful in his activities at work and well compensated.


114 posted on 09/19/2015 2:13:17 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Section 20.)
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To: Texan5
People who grow up out in the country tend to be prepared like keeping a comealong handy.
I always have a can of gas, motor oil, extra fan belt, puncture repair kit, basic tools.
Heck, I always have not one but two spare tires in my pickup.
115 posted on 09/19/2015 2:13:36 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: DoughtyOne
Um, I thought IQ was the "equipment." Murray's book "Coming Apart" is pretty darn hard to argue with. The people in the "superzips" who all have gone to Ivy League schools ONLY associate with each other.

The stuff you mention is A way to narrow the gap, but that's all it does. The IQ gap does exist. I see it all the time in college education.

116 posted on 09/19/2015 2:14:25 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: mad_as_he$$

Essakly.


117 posted on 09/19/2015 2:16:56 PM PDT by livius
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To: roadcat

Typing on my iPad with autocorrect. One of the IQ tests for non literate people involves sorting out shapes.


118 posted on 09/19/2015 2:28:36 PM PDT by livius
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To: I Hired Craig Livingstone

Of course multiculturalism is one of those ideas that are in Orwell’s words “so stupid only an intellectual could believe them.”


119 posted on 09/19/2015 2:36:17 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: squarebarb

Both my husbands were in the military-MrT5 made it his career-both were very good at improvising in any situation, particularly on a hunting or camping trip.

I speak Spanish as a second language-can read it, think in it and even write a little of it, but I learned as a child. I absolutely don’t think I could learn a third language with any degree of proficiency.

I think our Indo European ancestors had a gift for languages, because some of those people still do-there is a family out here who came from India about 30 years ago-2 of their 3 kids were born here-the whole family speaks English, and the dialect from where the parents came from in India-they also speak Spanish as well as I do, and the parents speak some French-don’t know how they do that...


120 posted on 09/19/2015 2:40:41 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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