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Better that five innocent students get expelled than one guilty student stay enrolled
Washington Post ^ | September 11, 2015 | Eugene Volokh

Posted on 09/14/2015 7:17:15 AM PDT by C19fan

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To: left that other site

It was in the context of discussing commitment to and retention of inmates in concentration camps with Theodor Eicke, commandant of Dachau. Evidently, Mr. Polis agrees.


21 posted on 09/14/2015 7:38:27 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: C19fan; sportutegrl; 17th Miss Regt

You all see it - the Left has reached critical mass. They know they can say (and do) anything they want now for The Revolution, secure in the knowledge that not only will they be opposed, they will be celebrated.

Everything from public sodomy, to confiscation of employment and property without due process, to suppression of free speech and religious liberty, is on their table.

Eventually, they will apply their full power on the crown jewel: Gun Confisctation.


22 posted on 09/14/2015 7:39:12 AM PDT by Old Sarge (I prep because DHS and FEMA told me it was a good idea...)
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To: Gen.Blather

I don’t get this either.

If a girl is raped, then it should go through the legal process, law enforcement should be involved. Sexual assault and rape are serious crimes, and should be reported to law enforcement, not dealt with internally at colleges.

From what I understand, these colleges have set up their own systems to handle these cases, without actual legitimate law enforcement being involved. This by definition sets up a situation, in which the accused are not going to be dealt with by due process. They will be dealt with by kangaroo court.


23 posted on 09/14/2015 7:41:07 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: C19fan

That’s a ridiculous approach.
Under that approach, we’d just bomb Detroit and Chicago to improve the crime rate.

But can we take that approach to Muslim immigrants? It’s not like deporting them we are depriving them of life and liberty.


24 posted on 09/14/2015 7:41:26 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Gaffer

I’ve heard a similar quote attributed to Ghengis Khan (sp?), in which Khan would execute numerous suspects rather than see one criminal go free.


25 posted on 09/14/2015 7:42:17 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: C19fan
The thing here is that a possible sexual assault is not the same as, say, the possible theft of a laptop.

It makes no sense, and is not fair, to expel a student based on a mere sexual assault accusation. But then again, it also doesn't make sense to allow the suspect to be in close contact with the alleged victim, like in a classroom or in a dorm building.

The solution would seem, to me, to have the college work out a plan were the suspect and alleged victim must stay far apart. If that means adjusting class schedules or changing rooming arrangements, so be it.

26 posted on 09/14/2015 7:42:32 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: C19fan

http://www.dailycamera.com/editorials/ci_28802714/editorial-spectacularly-bad-idea-from-jared-polis


27 posted on 09/14/2015 7:43:17 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: Leaning Right

The solution would seem, to me, to have the college work out a plan were the suspect and alleged victim must stay far apart. If that means adjusting class schedules or changing rooming arrangements, so be it.


Look up the name Laura Dunn and her case. She is now a big “victim” advocate for sexual assault. She used this arrangement against her “attacker” by following him around to parties and functions and then notifying the school that he violated the order.


28 posted on 09/14/2015 7:47:44 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: 17th Miss Regt; Gaffer

Himmler and Stalin....nice companions for Mr. Polis!

(As Sister Marie Frances used to say: “Show me your friends, and I’ll tell you what YOU are!”

(sigh)


29 posted on 09/14/2015 7:49:11 AM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: C19fan

Ah, the Salem Witch Trials, now on campus.


30 posted on 09/14/2015 7:50:18 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Blue Jays



Representative Jared Polis (D) also has a net worth of approximately $66M due to online businesses he has owned.
A poster for one of his old companies he subsequently sold appears to be shown in background.
31 posted on 09/14/2015 7:51:24 AM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: taxcontrol

“Further, we can assemble for ANY reason as long as it is peaceful.”

I wish you were completely correct.
However, as of December 2012, the NDAA that went into law, permits arrest and indefinite detention of US citizens who are deemed beligerent toward the government.
There is no clear definition of what might be considered beligerent behavior.
It’s likely that individuals could have been arrested and jailed without due process during the 09/12/2009 Tea Party March on DC.
Assembling, holding signs and chanting anything against this regime could get you thrown in jail.
The ACLU and other organizations failed in their opposition to the NDAA.
We no longer have the First Ammendment as it was intentionally written.
We let Obola do this without so much as a whimper.


32 posted on 09/14/2015 7:51:57 AM PDT by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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To: outpostinmass2
She used this arrangement against her “attacker” by following him around to parties and functions...

I understand what you're saying. But it doesn't invalidate my suggestion. The college just needs to do a little investigation, then expel her (not him) for violating the agreement.

Yes, I can see a little problem there. Colleges are quick to punish male violators...not so quick with female violators.

33 posted on 09/14/2015 7:55:21 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: MarchonDC09122009

You have a valid point but the erosion of the 1st amendment goes back even further - the civil rights act, widely supported by Republicans, also erodes the first amendment’s assembly clause due to some artificially created government right to regulate free enterprise.

Sigh, I no longer recognize the nation I live in.


34 posted on 09/14/2015 7:56:34 AM PDT by taxcontrol ( The GOPe treats the conservative base like slaves by taking their votes and refuses to pay)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

A female employee at FSU told me that the female university employees get regular warnings about assaults and rapes. There is a tunnel used by students. (I don’t know why.) It’s practically a guaranteed rape zone at certain hours. As far as she knows the students are not informed of the dangers and obviously, as the tunnel is still in use, the university is taking no visible action.

I suspect the number one issue for the University is to make certain there is no adverse publicity.


35 posted on 09/14/2015 8:00:42 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Leaning Right

Yes, I can see a little problem there. Colleges are quick to punish male violators...not so quick with female violators.


Find one example where the female was punished. You can’t. Look at the “Jackie” case at UVA, she is still enrolled.
Sexual assault needs to be handled by the police and courts. My advice to any college male falsely accused is to counter claim assault on the female. You will then receive the same protections and rights as the female accuser.


36 posted on 09/14/2015 8:03:47 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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"If there are 10 people who have been accused, and under a reasonable likelihood standard maybe one or two did it, it seems better to get rid of all 10 people."

Re-read this sentence. Is the author honestly advocating an "accusation = expulsion" standard? And there would be absolutely no repercussions from THAT!

37 posted on 09/14/2015 8:06:36 AM PDT by cincinnati65
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To: C19fan

The Rolling Stone Standard of guilt or innocence. What’s wrong with that?


38 posted on 09/14/2015 8:11:27 AM PDT by samtheman (2014: Voters elect Repubs to congress... 2015: Repubs defund NOTHING... 2016: Trump/(Cruz or Palin))
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To: outpostinmass2
Sexual assault needs to be handled by the police and courts.

We agree completely there. When it comes to a sexual assault (or any campus crime), the first priority of any college is to put up a smoke screen to protect its reputation. The second priority is to be as PC as possible.

Seeking justice is, at best, third on the list.

39 posted on 09/14/2015 8:13:06 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Yes, appropriately correct also.

However, I would caution you that before you go out and try to say Genghis Kahn, you consult the John (I was in Viet Nam) Kerry archives and listen to his testimony before congress. HIS is the only accepted pronunciation. :0)


40 posted on 09/14/2015 8:19:32 AM PDT by Gaffer
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