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To: george76

I find it hard to know what happened in all this..
Specifically what could McConell have done and what did he not do to block this?
What was the rationale for the Corkin Bill?

I get the feeling Obama had this in the bag long ago
and that Republicans were greatly out maneuvered

If the Republican agenda really is to let Obama do what he wants what is their motivation?


30 posted on 09/11/2015 7:26:16 AM PDT by woofie
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To: woofie

And I have a feeling that more than a few pubbies have a ‘Hastert problem’ and Obama knows exactly which ones...


31 posted on 09/11/2015 7:28:20 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: woofie

—— what could McConell have done-—

Rather than accept the 60 vote requirement he could force the Democrats to actually come to the podium and filibuster. the speeches would designate the goats that are deserting-s America and Israel for Iran

The Rats should be made to attempt to stop the effort by exhausting hours of pure blather.


35 posted on 09/11/2015 7:30:09 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ....carson is the kinder gentler trump)
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To: woofie
What is their motivation?

Why, business as usual of course

We have one ruling party and a second party that provides an illusion of choice but is merely token opposition

but at the end if the day, they are one big happy good Ol’ boy back slapping network and you radical tea party rubes are the greater threat to them than nuke war or terrorism ... Besides next time is Jeb’s turn which is the rules of the gentleman's club but if Hillary or Joe pull it off, meh
Stil someone they can do business with

49 posted on 09/11/2015 7:49:49 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: woofie
Simply put, McConnell's motivation is to 1) avoid conflict, and 2) avoid accountability.

What he did here is avoid the treaty provision of the Constitution. People wrongly say that it was Obama who set the table when he called the Iran deal an executive agreement instead of sending to Congress as a treaty. However, Congress has its own authority to "advise and consent" on treaties. The "advise" part means that Congress can decide for itself what is and isn't a treaty; the President cannot force that on Congress.

What McConnell could have done to block this is to simply declare that the Senate considers this to be a treaty and will proceed as such. Then the Senate, and only the Senate, will need to reach 2/3rds of the members present to ratify the treaty.

Article VI says that treaties are the Supreme law of the land. Supreme law cannot be imposed on the states without their consent. The Senate was the body that represented the states in Congress, so only the Senate is involved in accepting the terms of a treaty for the nation. The crime against the nation that McConnell and Corker committed is to allow a minority of states impose Supreme law on the country through a failed cloture vote, instead of letting a super-majority of states choose what will be Supreme law of the land.

-PJ

53 posted on 09/11/2015 7:51:35 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: woofie

What is their motivation?

My guess is this- everything politicians do nowadays is a means to acquire : 1. More money and 2. More power.

The two parties have learned that whoever passes the deal, passes the regulation, the law, etc... They (DC) all increase their money and power.

But they all want to be reelected as well so they give us the “show” - that they’re “fighting it out” on behalf of their constituents..

It’s like WWE wrestling - THEY know the desired outcome from the beginning but they need US to feel that somebody’s fighting on our behalf.

Meanwhile, they get more power and more wealthy with EVERYTHING they “do”. Both parties.


56 posted on 09/11/2015 7:54:25 AM PDT by joethedrummer
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To: woofie
I get the feeling Obama had this in the bag long ago and that Republicans were greatly out maneuvered

There is no rational reason you can pose that would lead you or anyone else to believe that the GOPe was out maneuvered. They clearly had means to thwart this disaster and chose to ignore it and brag that they did everything in their power to stop it.

Every four years we get to imagine we have some say in our government.

If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it." Mark Twain -

74 posted on 09/11/2015 10:22:41 AM PDT by itsahoot (55 years a republican-Now Independent. Will write in Sarah Palin, no matter who runs. RIH-GOP)
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