Posted on 09/09/2015 9:17:40 AM PDT by Jyotishi
Washington - There has been an astounding 32 per cent increase this year in the number of students flocking to American universities for higher studies. It is the biggest increase from any single country for the year, although in overall terms, China still tops the table in a big way.
Figures just released by the US Student and Exchange Visitor Programme (SEVP) indicate that 149,987 Indian students are currently enrolled in American universities of a total of 1.05 million. Chinese students number 301,532.
When it comes to the highly-coveted STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering and Math) stream, it is Indian students all the way. As many as 81 per cent of Indian students, compared to just 40 per cent of Chinese students, are enrolled in STEM courses.
More international students studied engineering than any other STEM field of study, with 29 percent of those engineering students coming from India, says the report.
Data extracted from the web-based Student and Exchange Visitor Information System points to a total of 1,054,505 international students enrolled with US universities as of July 7 this year, representing a 9 per cent increase over the previous year.
The report points out that as much as 76 per cent of all international students are from Asia. The top 10 countries sending students to the US are China, India, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Canada, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, Mexico and Brazil.
Universities in California, New York and Texas, between them, account for 36 per cent of international students. The top five schools in terms of enrolment of foreign students are University of Southern California, New York University, Columbia University, University of Illinois and Purdue University. News from idealmedia.com
More very bad news.
Other countries still want to build and manufacture stuff.
Don’t know if this relates or not, but my wife works for a large resort and many of the employees are young and don’t make much money. There are hundreds of them that have signed up for community colleges so they could get student loans and then buy new cars. They live with their parents yet still scam the system to get larger loans for “rents”. I don’t know how they do it, but there are certainly no engineers in this bunch.
Watch for expiring Visas.
Awhile back, I was walking through the engineering department of a local university. On one of the walls were pictures of the current graduate students in petroleum engineering. All but one had foreign names (Chinese, Indian, etc.).
But I suppose if I went to the poetry department, that situation would be reversed. So I guess it’s all good after all.
Wait until the bill comes due.
Of course, by then the Democrats will wave all student loans and make the taxpayers pick up the tab. Yet again, the honest taxpaying person will get screwed. That would be us — my son is in the engineering college and we are paying as we go. No loans so far. Lots of hamburger helper for us.
And yes, you can use the money for whatever you choose to spend it on.
And engineering is hard work. Just my opinion but many of the foreign students come from countries where life is very tough and a person’s ONLY path out of horrible poverty is through education. They know how hard life can be and appreciate America for what it can offer. And since only a select few are given the opportunity, it is valued even more.
On the other hand, American students...
I wonder if that drives tuition prices up. Then again, they don’t get the state kick back for instate students so they pay a lot more. Universities might prefer out of state and out of country students. Although they may get paid pretty much the same either way (my guess).
However, there is still the supply and demand equation.
Here’s a comparison of engineering students by country. What I believe is included in the US number are foreign students who get a degree, but return to their own country. The US became the preeminent power because we had the most engineers. That hasn’t been true for some time and we are now coasting on work done decades ago by men now retired or dead. The next war will either be a wakeup call as to how bad our education system and work ethic have suffered since the ‘60’s hippy generation, or we will all be living in the stone age because of our failures.
Of course, Americans who graduate with STEM degrees will see increased competition and depressed wages. Zuckerberg is happy.
Using the most common definition of STEM jobs, total STEM employment in 2012 was 5.3 million workers (immigrant and native), but there are 12.1 million STEM degree holders (immigrant and native).
Only one-third of native-born Americans with an undergraduate STEM degree holding a job actually work in a STEM occupation.
There are more than five million native-born Americans with STEM undergraduate degrees working in non-STEM occupations: 1.5 million with engineering degrees, half a million with technology degrees, 400,000 with math degrees, and 2.6 million with science degrees.
An additional 1.2 million natives with STEM degrees are not working — unemployed or out of the labor force in 2012.
Despite the economic downturn, Census Bureau data show that, between 2007 and 2012, about 700,000 new immigrants who have STEM degrees were allowed to settle in the country, yet at the same time, total STEM employment grew by only about 500,000.
Of these new immigrants with STEM degrees, only a little more than a third took a STEM job and about the same share took a non-STEM job. The rest were not working in 2012.
Overall, less than half of immigrants with STEM degrees work in STEM jobs. In particular, just 23 percent of all immigrants with engineering degrees work as engineers.
In total, 1.6 million immigrants with STEM degrees worked outside of a STEM field and 563,000 were not working.
The supply of STEM workers is not just limited to those with STEM degrees. Nearly one-third of the nation's STEM workers do not have an undergraduate STEM degree.
Wage trends are one of the best measures of labor demand. If STEM workers are in short supply, wages should be increasing rapidly. But wage data from multiple sources show little growth over the last 12 years.
Real hourly wages (adjusted for inflation) grew on average just 0.7 percent a year from 2000 to 2012 for STEM workers, and annual wages grew even less — 0.4 percent a year. Wage growth is very modest for most subcategories of engineers and technology workers.
“...suffered since the ‘60’s hippy generation, or we will all be living in the stone age because of our failures.”
From the stoned age to the stone age... sounds logical.
“Real hourly wages (adjusted for inflation) grew on average just 0.7 percent a year from 2000 to 2012 for STEM workers, and annual wages grew even less — 0.4 percent a year. Wage growth is very modest for most subcategories of engineers and technology workers. “
There are lots of reasons wages are dropping. H1B visas, work farmed out over the internet to foreign workers, trade agreements making it competitively impossible to keep work here and government policies and agencies that drive business away. I went looking for the reference and couldn’t find it but I’ve read that in the last 30 years almost a million business have disappeared. Some became obsolete or morphed into something else. But many are victims of our competition against slave labor. If you can’t leave your job without government approval, as in China, then you are a slave. These companies took lots of engineering positions with them.
I am an engineer and until I got Obama’d out of a job ran a multi-million dollar defense project. When I was laid off 8,000 people went with me, probably 30-40% engineers. I am now doing something else, not engineering related.
I lay the blame on government, which started importing engineering labor back in the ‘70’s. When the bubbles burst that labor went back to where it came from with what it learned about startups and with the contacts they’d made, they beat us at our own game. We (US/government/corporations) created our own disaster.
Of course there’s a lot more to the story than can be related in a three or four paragraph post, but my point was about America’s position in the world. We are a preeminent power because we have always been the technology leader. That has now changed and we’ll suffer for letting the leadership lapse.
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