Posted on 09/06/2015 11:02:56 AM PDT by Kaslin
You seriously are comparing the Arab world to Europe?
no, not really. Bush didn’t support overthrowing the Egyptians and promoting the Muslim Brotherhood.
The base stupidity and myopic vision displayed by you infects a lot of citizens. I give you that. The rest us all bs. The only way to deal with terrorists in any part of the world is to be on offense. Defense gets you 9/11 and Khobar Towers every time. Do you think it was just serendipity that there were no attacks here after 9/11 while US soldiers were hunting and killing jihadists scum?
How old are you? If you are that young pick up a book that wasn’t written by Saul Alinsky. In 1990 was placed on the list of state sponsors of terrorism. The ALF, the PLF, the ANO were all based in Iraq. These groups killed American civilians. Does that bother you at all?
Why?
Because we already paid the price in blood and treasure to pacify Iraq. The maintenance was much lower than the initial cost. What made all that blood and treasure a complete waste was walking away after the heavy lifting had already been done.
You can can argue on whether it was the right decision to go in the first place but the commitment had been made. You build from there. Obama just flushed it all down the toilet. And I don’t give a shit what the Iraqi government wanted. We paid the price to set the terms period. That’s what happens when you win a war and are not a pussy about it.
I’m not criticizing Dick Cheney. I’d trust Cheney much more than I do Barack Obama. Common sense is Cheney’s middle name; plus, I do think Cheney’s a patriotic American and not a Muslim plant! (I made a few satirical statements; but didn’t label them as such I guess.)
Re: Kuwait
Wasn’t it?
There are three facts relevant to this discussion that are beyond dispute:
1. Former Defense Secretary Dick Cheney explained in 1994 that the U.S. could not invade Iraq because toppling Saddam Hussein's Ba'athist government would lead to complete chaos in Iraq.
2. Vice President Dick Cheney was instrumental in getting the U.S. to invade Iraq less than a decade later.
3. Iraq descended into complete chaos, just as he had predicted.
Combine these three FACTS together, and you get a picture of a complete @sshole who was willing to p!ss away thousands of American lives and hundreds of billions of dollars on a military campaign that he knew was going to be an utter failure.
It's pathetic when I can lay out a case like this against a Republican administration that looks exactly like "MSNBC talking points" on this issue ... and it's absolutely correct.
If radical Islam is the biggest threat the U.S. faces in the Middle East, then George H.W. Bush made a huge mistake by stopping Iraq's military forces as the border of Saudi Arabia.
Anyone who looked at the issue objectively back in 1990 would have recognized the absurdity of having U.S. military forces in the Middle East to protect a radical Islamic royal family in one country (Saudi Arabia) and restore one in another country (Kuwait) ... while these same military forces were being ordered not to display Christian religious symbols so as not to "offend" their hosts.
Obama presidency 'direct consequence' of Vice-President Cheney failure to challenge his lack of Natural Born Citizenship.
Too late Dick. Shove your book up yer arse.
I suggest you crawl back under your rock from which you crawled out from YOU TROLL. And be quick about it!!!
"I suggest you crawl back under your rock from which you crawled out from YOU TROLL. And be quick about it!!!"
I got a better idea, don't insult fellow FReepers son.
( you do know that comment was directed at Cheney right? )
I'm personally a huge fan of Dick Cheney. This goes back to when he was one of the star members of the Iran-Contra Congressional committee defending Oliver North and President Reagan. I mailed all our guys who were helping out in the fight against the lowlifes: Kennedy and Biden and Simon and Metzenbaum and so many others (D)ummies. He became one of maybe a dozen total Congressional members outside of my district that I supported every time they mailed me. Additionally, I voted for him for Vice-President, twice. So I am more than qualified to criticize him.
My beef is that he served as President of the Senate for 8 years, he knows a whole lot about that office and about the Constitution and also about little-known Congressional maneuvers. Being at ground zero in the attempted 2000 election theft by Gore he learned a lot about thwarting attacks on our Republic, on both the legal and political front. Additionally the guy himself was under attack since 9/11 and they even talked about arresting him for being mean to terrorists and dragging him off to the Hague, among other places. Not to mention Scooter Libby.
When you take all this under consideration we can agree that Cheney was uniquely qualified and positioned to do something, anything, about the destruction of the 'spirit' if not the 'letter' of the Constitutional requirement of Natural Born Citizenship. I didn't expect him to torpedo it all by himself, but we could at least expect an effort, even if it only succeeded in granting SOMEONE standing in the Supreme Court who punted away everything, leaving us as American Citizens without the standing to challenge a fraudulent Islamic and Marxist sympathizer getting into the White House. The Vice President holding up the electoral college would be instant standing. As outgoing VP, he had nothing to lose. And with all those attacks on him, payback could have been sweet.
He also must be aware that desperate times require desperate measures, and his predecessor Vice President Jefferson with his protégé James Madison did nothing short of declare all out war on *his* President John Adams and the Federalists and their Alien and Sedition Acts in 1798 which lasted until the victorious Jefferson was sworn in on March 4, 1801 and Adams slinked out of town a loser, and the Federalist party was systematically crushed. That was above and beyond the call of duty, and a pretty good parallel to the situation with the lawless administration of the Chicago Communist and the (D)emocratic(S)ocialist party.
So I watched Cheney and his daughter last night on Hannity plugging his book, and while I still admire the guy very much, seeing him fret over Obama now is what sets me off as he was right there with the ability to drop a wrench in the machine during the electoral college count. Also, seeing him complain about the Iran Deal ( oh there is so much irony thinking back to Iran-Contra back channel secret deals! Apparently no-one else remembers? ) brings up something else. As President of the Senate for eight years he knows the machinations of that body as well as anyone. He should have been active back in April when that secret room thing and un-Constitutional treaty deal and was occurring. He should have grabbed a megaphone, convened key Senators like Cruz and Paul and Sessions to his Wyoming mansion and put his book on hold. He could have got out in front of this thing because ... no-one is more qualified with more gravitas on this subject than him. Altering the treaty super majority requirement as a gift to DingleBarry who gets to ram through an Iran deal ( again, the irony ) *and* wait for it, the coming treaty over the Global Warming hoax. The entire Senate should be fired for this.
Yes I'm disappointed, hence my little snarky comment: "too late Dick ...". But I'm allowed to be. I'm a constituent. I have standing. It doesn't mean I hate the guy, I'd still take him in a heartbeat over his running mate: President DUI. I was also fit to be tied at the great Ronaldus Maximus for not unconditionally pardoning of North, Poindexter, Secord and the rest. We are free to criticize our guys, I do it all the time. And you know why? It is the same you do with your kids or relatives or friends or whoever you consider close to you. When they betray you it is far worse than when a stranger does the something. It's personal.
Had to get that off my chest after being called a troll by a fellow FReeper. I ain't no troll FRiend.
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