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The Top Ten “Birther” arguments against Ted Cruz, and why they are completely wrong
Western Free Press ^ | March 13 2014 | Patrick Colliano and Gregory Conterio

Posted on 09/05/2015 1:47:06 PM PDT by iowamark

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To: Nero Germanicus
Non sequitur. "Facts" not in evidence.

The media helped him and the Backstabbing GOPe helped him.

141 posted on 09/07/2015 12:21:04 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Nero Germanicus

They wouldn’t dare.


142 posted on 09/07/2015 12:22:16 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: CpnHook
I hesitate to get into this, because at the end of the day I think Ted Cruz's de facto eligibility prevails.

This part is correct. The rest of what you write is all dreck. At least I presume it is. I didn't bother reading it. I've read your opinion before, and it's seldom "non-dreck."

143 posted on 09/07/2015 12:24:20 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: odawg
You are right. I feel like a fool. I am wrong, you are correct.

I just have a bad habit of launching into attack mode when certain key-words are employed. One of them is "naturalization act of 1790."

My apologies.

144 posted on 09/07/2015 12:27:36 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: AmericanVictory
Judges giving a pass to one person on the issue because of their political views and unwillingness to do anything against a black citizen for fear of being called racist does not establish a legal precedent.

It is close enough. The Courts will not admit to having made a mistake. They take General Custer's attitude from the movie "Little Big Man."

You're miserable life is not worth the reversal of a Custer decision. "

145 posted on 09/07/2015 12:35:37 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
I thought he was born in Canada...with a Cuban father.

I'm kinda thinking he was born in Canada... to a Kenyan Father.

Of course we are talking about Obama, not Cruz.

146 posted on 09/07/2015 12:43:38 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Where is that written in the Constitution? Which article? Which section?

Who is it that resolves cases and controversies concerning the proper interpretation of natural law?

Article II, Section 1 has not been amended, its been interpreted by the courts.


147 posted on 09/07/2015 1:25:05 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: DiogenesLamp

Tell it to the judge. Don’t try to kill the messenger.


148 posted on 09/07/2015 1:26:19 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: DiogenesLamp

“To hold that Wong Kim Ark is a natural-born citizen within the ruling now quoted, is to ignore the fact that at his birth he became a subject of China by reason of the allegiance of his parents to the Chinese Emperor. That fact is not open to controversy, for the law of China demonstrates its existence. He was therefore born subject to a foreign power; and although born subject to the laws of the United States, in the sense of being entitled to and receiving protection while within the territorial limits of the nation—a right of all aliens—yet he was not born subject to the ‘political jurisdiction’ thereof, and for that reason is not a citizen. The judgment and order appealed from should be reversed, and the respondent remanded to the custody of the collector.”— Government’s Brief, U.S. v Wong Kim Ark

“Subject’ and ‘citizen’ are, in a degree, convertible terms as applied to natives; and though the term ‘citizen’ seems to be appropriate to republican freemen, yet we are, equally with the inhabitants of all other countries, ’subjects,’ for we are equally bound by allegiance and subjection to the government and law of the land.’

…every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established.”—Majority Opinion, U.S. v Wong Kim Ark


149 posted on 09/07/2015 1:33:42 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: DiogenesLamp

We’ll all have to wait and see if anyone files suit against Senator Cruz. Thus far, no one of any political ideology has challenged his eligibility in court.


150 posted on 09/07/2015 1:35:58 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: DiogenesLamp

Did you see any evidence of Obama trying to put the eligibility issue to rest and get it behind him?


151 posted on 09/07/2015 1:38:50 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: DiogenesLamp

The object of primary season is to knock off as much of the low hanging fruit as you can, as quickly as you can.
If Senator Cruz rises much above his current 8%-10% share, I expect his birth in Canada will be brought up by other candidates.


152 posted on 09/07/2015 1:42:51 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: DiogenesLamp
They wouldn’t dare.

Trump already has. Link

153 posted on 09/07/2015 1:47:19 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DiogenesLamp

I believe that you are not correct. Only one federal case that I am aware of obtained Article III standing. The others never reached the merits because they ruled that there was no standing. That means that the anti-Cruz forces will be able to obtain standing based on the case were standing was found and bring the case to the merits. Or a candidate as crazy as Sanders could file suit. Lack of standing does not create any precedent for a party with standing. Since there is no actual legal precedent, liberal judges will jump on board the anti-Cruz ship. Wait and see.


154 posted on 09/07/2015 1:48:36 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: Dálach
The Supreme Court has ruled that every word in the Constitution has meaning.

Natural born citizen is three words. Adding ‘natural’ requires one must be something more than a born citizen.

The Supreme Court has also said that the term "natural born citizen" is simply an adaptation to our form of government of the English term "natural born subject." And in the opinion where that is analyzed at length, the term is sometimes written "natural born citizen" and sometimes "natural-born citizen." The hyphen doesn't affect the meaning.

155 posted on 09/07/2015 1:51:45 PM PDT by CpnHook
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To: DiogenesLamp

There is a constitutional provision for the president-elect being found unqualified for office. In that case, the vice president elect becomes president. If both don’t, the Congress picks a temporary until an election qualifies a president.

20th amendment

“If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.”


156 posted on 09/07/2015 1:59:49 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their Victory!)
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To: DiogenesLamp
The Top Ten “Birther” arguments against Ted Cruz, and why they are completely wrong

Of course we are talking about Obama, not Cruz.

Who's line is it anyway?

157 posted on 09/07/2015 2:00:38 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republican Freed the Slaves" month.)
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To: Nero Germanicus
Where is that written in the Constitution? Which article? Which section?

In the same section it says the "sky is blue" and "water is wet." It is an axiomatic, self evident fact. It does not need to be explicitly enumerated because the founders did not contemplate idiots reading what they wrote.

Who is it that resolves cases and controversies concerning the proper interpretation of natural law?

It's appears that nobody does. It's a grab what you can when you are in power sort of system now. Thanks Obama! A corrupt system is an appropriate legacy fro a corrupt man.

Article II, Section 1 has not been amended, its been interpreted by the courts.

Yeah, well they gave us "Gay" marriage, so we can't cite them as an authority anymore.

158 posted on 09/07/2015 2:25:00 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Nero Germanicus
Tell it to the judge. Don’t try to kill the messenger.

No, they're idiots. You can't tell them anything. We just need to ignore their stupid opinions to the extent we can get away with.

They jumped the shark.

159 posted on 09/07/2015 2:26:27 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Nero Germanicus
You know that the Wong court did their song and dance routine to proclaim him a citizen just because they felt bad about his situation. They ignored anything which did not comport with their predetermined emotional decision, and even went so far as to mis-cite previous authorities to get the conclusion the majority of Republicans on the court wanted.

“Subject’ and ‘citizen’ are, in a degree, convertible terms as applied to natives;

Yeah, except for the fact that Jefferson tossed out the term "Subject" and replaced it with "Citizen."

You would have us believe it's a word change without a meaning change. No, it's a meaning change too.

160 posted on 09/07/2015 2:30:51 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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