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A new legal cloud over same-sex marriage in Kentucky? Are the licenses issued valid?
SCOTUS BLOG ^ | 09/04/2015 | Lyle Denniston

Posted on 09/04/2015 9:47:22 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Five deputy county clerks in Rowan County, Kentucky — the scene of the first major courthouse battle over a conflict between the Supreme Court’s view on same-sex marriage and religious objections to it — told a federal judge that they will start issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples on Friday morning. They did so after the judge sent the county clerk herself to jail for contempt of court, and threatened her deputies with the same fate.

But even the judge conceded that those licenses, if issued, may not be valid, although he refused to decide that issue and left it to the lawyers for the same-sex couples to confront. The question of legality of new licenses came up during a series of hearings throughout the day Thursday in U.S. District Judge David L. Bunning’s court in Ashland, but did not get resolved and will linger.

With County Clerk Kim Davis in jail, under the judge’s order that she had illegally broken his order to end her “no marriage licenses” policy as a way of obeying her religious views against same-sex marriage, the dispute will be moving forward on several points and could return to the Supreme Court on at least some aspects. Her lawyers said they will be appealing her contempt punishment, and they have two other appeals pending in lower courts.

Davis’s religious complaint all along has been that, because Kentucky law requires her name and signature to be on every marriage license issued in her county, issuing licenses to any couples would involve her directly in authorizing same-sex couples to marry, which would violate her belief that God has made marriage an institution only for a man and a woman. She thus adopted a no-licensing policy and ordered her deputies to follow the policy as well.

After Davis told the judge in person that she could not obey his order, the judge said she did not have that option as a public official. He turned down the suggestion, made by lawyers for same-sex couples who had sued, that Davis should only face tough and escalating fines. The judge said that, because Davis’s supporters would simply cover those fines for her, jailing was the only option to assure that she would obey his order. She was turned over to U.S. marshals for jailing.

Among other points that Davis’s lawyers made to the judge about the obedience by her deputy clerks was that state law does not allow them to do so without her name and signature on the forms, and they repeated her vow not to provide that authorization.. Even so, the judge then obtained the promise from five of her six deputy clerks to reopen marriage licensing in their office on Friday, and he said he would tolerate no “shenanigans.”

One of the deputies, Davis’s son, Nathan, would not yield to the judge’s demand, but the judge chose not to punish him because other clerks would be available to issue licenses. At least one same-sex couple told local news reporters that they would show up at the clerk’s office Friday, to apply for a license.

Local news organizations in the state have provided extensive coverage of the dispute, and increased their coverage on Thursday as several sessions in the judge’s court unfolded.

After the judge sent the clerk to jail, one of her lawyers, Roger K. Gannam, a senior staff lawyer with the advocacy group Liberty Counsel, told reporters outside the courthouse that they would immediately appeal her contempt citation. Gannam was quoted as saying: “Today, for the first time in American history, an American citizen has been incarcerated for having the belief and conscience that marriage is a union of one man and one woman.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; kentucky; kimdavis; marriagelicense
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To: SeekAndFind

Liberal civil disobedience good.
Conservative civil disobedience bad.

I think I saw that on the side of a barn somewhere.


21 posted on 09/04/2015 10:25:41 AM PDT by joshua c (Please dont feed the liberals)
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To: Menehune56

He can hold her until she complies with his order. But, with elections and her determination....she might actually be re-elected into office, and continue to sit in a jail.


22 posted on 09/04/2015 10:26:00 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Another Post-American

Well stated.


23 posted on 09/04/2015 10:29:19 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Dilbert San Diego
So why exactly is this woman in jail????

Defiance of the Judge.

24 posted on 09/04/2015 11:10:20 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: tet68
I think there is a problem with selective enforcement if the judge refused to jail the son for contempt also.

I want to know how many clerks were jailed for issuing licenses to the gays, before it was legal.

25 posted on 09/04/2015 11:27:07 AM PDT by verga (I might as well be playng chess with pigeons.)
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To: grobdriver

A be dissed, yo! Isn’t that’s what effectively is happening here?

Fed judges attempting to write State Law using SCoTUS’ ruling (re-writing Laws is their ‘forte’ no? See O’Care, State exchanges, Kelo...) and jailing anyone that dares stand up to their power grab/illegality.

Any word yet??
D.C. GOP ‘leadership’??
RNC?
State Govonor?
State Reps?
Sheriff?

Yet, I lay this firmly @ the feet of Congress; after DoMA, they could have told SCoTUS to F* off....but instead did what they usually do: NOTHING of importance.


26 posted on 09/04/2015 11:28:19 AM PDT by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: Dante3

It sounds like its within her rights not to sign, and only impeachment can fire her, and that ain’t in the cards.

Making her a Martyr is stupid.

HT


27 posted on 09/04/2015 12:26:08 PM PDT by Zenjitsuman (A)
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To: SeekAndFind

Forcing others who come to her office to bow to her religious convictions is no different than a Muslim holding a similar office who would not issue licenses to a Christian because they were not following Sharia law.

There is no requirement in US law that says one must agree with a particular religious viewpoint in order to get a marriage license.


28 posted on 09/04/2015 12:37:29 PM PDT by arbitrary.squid
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To: grobdriver

We could always waterboard her until she acquiesces. Doesn’t seem to be any legal problems getting in the way of that.


29 posted on 09/04/2015 12:39:27 PM PDT by arbitrary.squid
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To: SeekAndFind

I assume they’ll use a stamp with her name, but without her authorization, doesn’t sound like it’ll be legal. I hope her son gets to tell the homosexuals that show up for their mirage license.


30 posted on 09/05/2015 12:47:10 AM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Another judge in the county volunteered to issue marriage licenses ( which he is authorized to do so.”

You’re kidding. Homosexuals don’t even have to drive, or take a bus, to the next county? You’re right: this is a Gaystapo attack on Christians. Next, they’ll target the Torah and Bible.


31 posted on 09/05/2015 12:52:30 AM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: arbitrary.squid

A judge in her county said he’d issue marriage licenses, so she’s not forcing anyone to “bow to her religious convictions.”


32 posted on 09/05/2015 12:59:10 AM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: pepsionice

>>A judge can deem things illegal or such...but he can’t write law

You haven’t been paying attention for the last 45 or so year, have you?


33 posted on 09/05/2015 1:05:35 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is the first federal judge that should be impeached when Congress returns to D.C. Justice Kennedy is the second.


34 posted on 09/05/2015 1:18:24 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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